Earthquakes and Fracking connection

09 Nov 2011 10:36 #11 by Rockdoc

Wily Fox aka Angela wrote: thanks Franz, I agree, we need to continually learn and form opinions as more information is available. Entrenching without facts is not a good way to move forward.


I've not done the research, but someone must have computed the actual range of force needed to force movement along a fault. It is no trivial matter. Consider just for a moment, the force necessary to move a kilometer thick slab of the earth even one inch. Perhaps you can begin by lifting the biggest bolder you can, perhaps something in the range of 150-200 pounds. Now look at how small that rock is compared to a 1/2 mile thick slab of earth. There simply is no way for an injection to fracture a well can generate the kinds of forces released by a 5 earthquake. Believe what you want. It is your prerogative.

As for sinkhole collapse, that is a problem in all karst terrains. Basically you have underground streams eroding limestone leaving behind caverns. Newton is pleased to know that gravity works whenever there is no support below. Oil fields that are not supported by fluid injection result in all the overburden weight being supported by the formation grains. With a mile or more of rock above, the grains actually get crushed and the whole land area above the oil field subsides. This is compaction. All crustal rocks have water in them that helps to support the weight above.

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14 Nov 2011 09:31 #12 by ScienceChic
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Did Fracking Cause Oklahoma's Largest Recorded Earthquake?
Probably not, as the gas drilling practice tends to be associated with minor quakes, not big ones, seismologists say
By Charles Q. Choi | November 14, 2011

The recent uptick in the area's temblors has been dramatic. From 1972 to 2008 only two to six earthquakes were reported per year in Oklahoma, and were often too small for people to notice. However, in 2009 nearly 50 earthquakes were recorded (pdf), and that number more than doubled in 2010 to 1,047, with 103 powerful enough to be felt.

Fracking has been linked to two minor earthquakes in northwest England, very likely by lubricating an already stressed fault zone and thus making it easier for the land to shift. A report in August by seismologist Austin Holland at the OGS also suggested that a swarm of nearly 50 small quakes of magnitude 1.0 to 2.8 near the center of the state might have been triggered by nearby fracking.

Still, researchers say it seems unlikely that fracking had anything to do with last weekend's magnitude 5.6 quake. "I won't say that man's activity never ever caused the release of seismic stress, but hydro-fracks are such small things," Keller adds. "If we were talking a magnitude 1 or 2 earthquake, that'd be different, but it's awfully hard to imagine a hydro-frack being involved with one of this size. We also have to determine if there were any frack jobs going on there right now, but I don't think there were—it didn't happen in an area of particularly active oil and gas exploration."


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14 Nov 2011 12:47 #13 by Photo-fish
So if it "tends to be associated with minor quakes", couldn't the stress that builds up after several minor quakes cause bigger quakes?

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14 Nov 2011 12:50 #14 by HEARTLESS
Or do the minor quakes relieve the stress and reduce the major quakes?

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14 Nov 2011 12:54 #15 by Blazer Bob

HEARTLESS wrote: Or do the minor quakes relieve the stress and reduce the major quakes?


Don't know but that is what I have always
heard. Quakes relieve stress.

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14 Nov 2011 12:58 #16 by Photo-fish

neptunechimney wrote: Quakes relieve stress.


They probably do on that particular fault line. What about adjacent faults or deeper fault lines?

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14 Nov 2011 13:07 #17 by Blazer Bob
Is there a geologist in the house? :Whistle

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14 Nov 2011 13:08 #18 by HEARTLESS
If this is a butterfly effect thing, don't listen to those that said I just broke wind. :Whistle

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15 Nov 2011 19:57 #19 by Rockdoc

HEARTLESS wrote: Or do the minor quakes relieve the stress and reduce the major quakes?

That is indeed the pattern seen associated with earthquake activity. If you have smaller earthquakes you do not get the violent release of huge stress build ups. Also, aftershocks reflect the release of redistributed stress. It is all about letting stress go. Hell everyone ought to know this from an emotional issue. It really is not a whole lot different. Keep it pent up too long and you have a big blow up and the aftermath rumblings for an extended period of time. Get what's bothering you off your chest early and the big ones don't happen. When you see parallels across drastically different areas, then you know the theory has merit.

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03 Jan 2012 13:41 #20 by Photo-fish
After another (larger) quake on Saturday:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/0 ... 80094.html

While this is not a "fracking" operation, it is an injection well used to dispose of fracking liquids

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