akilina wrote:
Spazcat wrote: Yes, however less than 1% of the total population of Evergreen is forcing us to waste $70,000 to $140,000 in tax funds....money that you and I pay, just because they did not fully get their way.
Ok let me get this straight. A building that is going to cost many thousands of dollars and is a danger because of location is objected to by some besides other concerns and they choose the right to follow proper procedure to recall some of the board for their vote and you are complaining because it is going to be expensive? Sorry Spazcat, any chance of convincing me just went down the tubes. They have a legal right. If they get the proper number of signatures and follow all the requirements then there should be a recall and the residents of Ev fire district can vote and make their voices heard. Whether it is in the Board's favor or for those calling for the recall will then become very clear.
And just out of outright curiosity how do you know that it is only 1% of the Ev population?
First of all the training building itself is NOT A DANGER. Live fire training IS NOT A DANGER to the neighboring school, open space or houses because the live fire will be contained in a metal building that is incased in brick. Chances of the building catching on fire are zero. The chances of the training fire escaping and catching the school, open space and homes on fire are zero. The material used to burn is wood wool made from 100% Aspen trees with little or no embers. There is a greater chance of one of the neighbor’s campfires escaping and burning down the neighborhood or a neighbor doing something foolish like burning Tiki Torches on their deck during a total burn ban, or adding Coleman Fuel (white gas) to the wood in the fireplace and lighting it resulting in igniting the contents of the living room, kitchen, and spreading to the deck.
Throughout the nation, there are hundreds of fire department training centers within residential neighborhoods to include schools, homes, and parks. All operating safely. I challenge anyone to show legitimate facts, not hypothetical conjecture, that these buildings are not safe.
There has been speculation that the smoke produced will be harmful. Actually because the material used, wood wool, in the live fire training, little smoke is produced – on par to a chimney start or two and will be supplemented by theatrical smoke, which according to the MSDS is safe. On any given day, the smoke produced by the neighboring homes will be more carbon emission than what is produced by live fire training. Keep in mind that live fire training will occur 10 to 12 times per year, while smoke from fire places, campfires, BBQ’s, and slash pile burns will occur 365 days per year.
With regards to the 1% figure. The opponents to the building state they represent 550 residents of Evergreen. The fire department covers a population of 40,000 plus businesses in the area. The 550 is about 1%.
Yes they do have the right to call for a recall election, but it does not seem fair that the whims of only 1%, and their only legitimate claim against the training building is because they don’t want it in their own back yard as the opposition has used false and misleading facts to oppose the training building, will cost the remaining 99% $70,000 or more. In addition to not wanting the training building, they want ALL training to be moved from the Bergen Park campus to the West Metro fire training facility, which btw is next to a school, park, and houses. It is mindboggling to me how only 1% of the population can have such an impact on fire, life, and safety for the remaining 99% of the community.
With regards to your slippery slope argument:
“So it used to be only a small fire practice facility. Now they want to make it bigger. And then down the road they will want to have real fire to make it realistic or something else. It doesn't stop. If it wasn't next to a school and a lot of homes I would be very much in favor.”
Actually the reverse is happening. Over the 27 plus years the fire department has been training at this location with occasional live fire training with used with cars, wood pallets, etc out in the open. Now the fire department is becoming safer with the addition of a propane car fire simulator --- no more torching cars – and containing the live fire training inside a metal / brick enclosed building. They have always used live fire for training, now they are just making it safer.
