Colorado went down..... What happened?

07 Dec 2010 20:17 #1 by CinnamonGirl
Colorado went down..... What happened? was created by CinnamonGirl
Full Ranking: America's Healthiest And Unhealthiest States


http://www.forbes.com/2010/12/06/health ... h-uhc.html

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07 Dec 2010 22:44 #2 by ScienceChic
Nice - it's for one of my pet peeves: immunizations.

Challenges:
• Low immunization coverage
• High geographic disparity within the state
Challenges include a high rate of uninsured population at 15.6 percent, low immunization coverage with 85.0 percent of children ages 19 to 35 months receiving immunizations and high geographic disparity within the state at 15.8 percent. Colorado ranks lower for determinants than for outcomes, indicating that overall healthiness may decline over time.

Significant Changes:
(DOWN) In the past year, immunization coverage decreased from 92.1 percent to 85.0 percent of children ages 19 to 35 months receiving immunizations.
(DOWN) In the past five years, the prevalence of smoking decreased from 20.0 percent to 17.0 percent of the population.
(UP) In the past ten years, the percentage of children in poverty increased from 11.6 percent to 18.2 percent of persons under age 18


On a related side note, just today I received an email from my son's school that there was a confirmed case of Pertussis in one of the students. Seriously? Whooping cough in this day and age - idiot parents! Putting my child at risk, not to mention kids who's parents maybe have a baby at home who isn't old enough to get immunized yet.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... 123/6/1446
http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/news/news ... _R2006.htm

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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07 Dec 2010 22:46 #3 by conifermtman
Illegal Aliens

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07 Dec 2010 23:00 #4 by archer

conifermtman wrote: Illegal Aliens


We hadn't better get rid of the illegal aliens, then what would people use for an excuse for everything bad that happens in this country? We might actually have to look at problems and solutions instead of whining about the illegals and doing nothing.

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07 Dec 2010 23:02 #5 by The Viking

conifermtman wrote: Illegal Aliens


Very good point. They don't have to get their kids vaccinized before sneaking across the border. Another great contribution to America from the South!

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07 Dec 2010 23:18 #6 by archer
want a little cheese with that whine?

We have not placed an emphasis on education.....real good education... in this country for decades. We throw money at the problem, but don't really look for solutions. As for your remark on vaccines, I know plenty of people, all legal mind you, that for religious reasons, or out of fear of side effects, do not vaccinate their children.

Perhaps universal healthcare would make vaccines available to everyone? And benefit everyone in the process.

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07 Dec 2010 23:34 #7 by ScienceChic
Really Viking? You might want to check the stats before stating what you seem to know for sure. Mexico actually has a higher vaccination rate than we do here in the US, and has had since 1996, except for last year and 1997.
http://apps.who.int/immunization_monito ... gedtp3.htm Starting with 2009 and going backward by year, percent vaccinated:

Mexico: 89 96 98 98 98 98 98 97 97 97 96 96 95 95 91 91 82 90 88 53 65 60 62 51 40 52 41 40 43 44

The US:95 95 95 95 96 96 96 94 94 94 96 96 96 95 95 94 88 83 86 90 94 97 97 97 96 97 97 96 96 96

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNew ... More22.htm
Mexico more effective than U.S. at immunizing children
Mexico's paternalistic approach has led to a 96% vaccination rate for children ages 1 to 4, compared with 79% of American 2-year-olds.
By EDWARD HEGSTROM
Houston Chronicle
Sunday, December 22, 2002

MONTERREY, MEXICO – If parents here are late getting their child inoculated, a public-health nurse will come to their home, pull down the youngster's pants and give the vaccination right there in the living room. If the parents are away at work, the nurse does not wait for them to come home and give permission. Shots are given anyway, and the paperwork is left with the baby sitter.

Babies are given their first immunizations - against polio and tuberculosis - in the hospital right after birth. They also receive a government-issued National Vaccination Record, on which the vaccines they receive throughout their lives will be tallied. The vaccine record must be presented in order to enter school, to get passports or other identification papers and even to get some jobs and loans.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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08 Dec 2010 06:47 #8 by HEARTLESS
SC, based on the evidence you presented, there is only one conclusion. High immunization rates result in poor economies. :biggrin:
I've got this science thing down.

The silent majority will be silent no more.

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08 Dec 2010 07:37 #9 by conifermtman
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Science Chic wrote: Really Viking? You might want to check the stats before stating what you seem to know for sure. Mexico actually has a higher vaccination rate than we do here in the US, and has had since 1996, except for last year and 1997.
http://apps.who.int/immunization_monito ... gedtp3.htm Starting with 2009 and going backward by year, percent vaccinated:

Mexico: 89 96 98 98 98 98 98 97 97 97 96 96 95 95 91 91 82 90 88 53 65 60 62 51 40 52 41 40 43 44

The US:95 95 95 95 96 96 96 94 94 94 96 96 96 95 95 94 88 83 86 90 94 97 97 97 96 97 97 96 96 96

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNew ... More22.htm
Mexico more effective than U.S. at immunizing children
Mexico's paternalistic approach has led to a 96% vaccination rate for children ages 1 to 4, compared with 79% of American 2-year-olds.
By EDWARD HEGSTROM
Houston Chronicle
Sunday, December 22, 2002

MONTERREY, MEXICO – If parents here are late getting their child inoculated, a public-health nurse will come to their home, pull down the youngster's pants and give the vaccination right there in the living room. If the parents are away at work, the nurse does not wait for them to come home and give permission. Shots are given anyway, and the paperwork is left with the baby sitter.

Babies are given their first immunizations - against polio and tuberculosis - in the hospital right after birth. They also receive a government-issued National Vaccination Record, on which the vaccines they receive throughout their lives will be tallied. The vaccine record must be presented in order to enter school, to get passports or other identification papers and even to get some jobs and loans.

Really? You actually believe those not numbers? Naive.

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08 Dec 2010 09:28 #10 by ScienceChic

conifermtman wrote: Really? You actually believe those not numbers? Naive.

No, I don't actually entirely believe them, they vary widely if you are breaking it down further into age groups or specific immunizations, and vary between the country's self reporting (interestingly, the US page is missing a huge chunk of data) and the WHO's assessments. But the point is that Viking makes assumptions/statements based on his own beliefs and then doesn't even bother to find out if those assumptions are based in reality or not before posting.

The Viking wrote: Very good point. They don't have to get their kids vaccinized before sneaking across the border. Another great contribution to America from the South!

No country in the world is at a 0% vaccination rate. Mexico and the lower US used to have big problems with passing disease outbreaks back and forth until Mexico clamped down and forced people to immunize - we'd call it an invasion of our privacy if our government operated as they do! But people just assume that because Mexico is poor and not as technologically advanced, and they have personal problems with some other unrelated issue concerning that country - illegal immigration - so they already think the worst of the country as a whole - that they are backwards and don't even vaccinate at all? That's just dumb, sorry to be blunt about it.

conifermtnman" wrote: Illegal Aliens

And how does this answer have anything to do with the health of a state? Violent crime? Unemployment? Uninsured? Because none of the stats are broken out by subcriteria of legal or illegal. I suppose you can compare states with higher numbers of illegal immigrants to states with lower illegal immigrants, but this article's not going to tell you if it's the illegal immigrants who are increasing the violent crimes, or number of insured, etc unless you start digging further. Again, it's an assumption unless backed by stats.

HEARTLESS wrote: SC, based on the evidence you presented, there is only one conclusion. High immunization rates result in poor economies. :biggrin:
I've got this science thing down.

lol cum hoc ergo propter hoc - correlation proves causation is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship
Don't worry, I'll get ya trained up right! :biggrin: Next up, proper sterile technique!

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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