Obama mocks Republican position on immigration

10 May 2011 20:20 #11 by Rick
Here voters voters voters, here voters voters....

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10 May 2011 20:31 #12 by Blazer Bob
LJ, it seems that you are saying that Obama's claim that the border is more secure than ever is a lie.

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10 May 2011 21:14 #13 by FredHayek
Maybe Obama meant to say "as secure as ever"? Meaning it has always been pretty pourus.(SP?)
I think the fence is at best a symbol unless you have enough guards, will only slow people down,

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10 May 2011 21:18 #14 by LadyJazzer
It probably is "more secure than ever", but when you consider how ineffectual it was under Bush, then most anything is an improvement, isn't it...

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10 May 2011 22:05 #15 by archer
border security has improved in Arizona (don't know about anywhere else), but it is so far from actually being secure that it is pretty meaningless. If 100 is good, and 0 is bad, moving from 10 to 15 really isn't all that great.

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10 May 2011 22:07 #16 by archer
The problem I see in AZ and other border states is that they are all about passing laws to punish the illegals already here, but do nothing about those who keep streaming in. Until the border is closed (and we all know that is going to be expensive to do) all the laws they pass will do nothing really to fix the problem

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10 May 2011 22:09 #17 by CinnamonGirl
Replied by CinnamonGirl on topic Obama mocks Republican position on immigration
I didn't see the video. Sorry if this is a duplicate. I am not making a judgment just posting info for the thread.

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10 May 2011 23:12 #18 by Blazer Bob

LadyJazzer wrote: It probably is "more secure than ever", but when you consider how ineffectual it was under Bush, then most anything is an improvement, isn't it...

archer wrote: border security has improved in Arizona (don't know about anywhere else), but it is so far from actually being secure that it is pretty meaningless. If 100 is good, and 0 is bad, moving from 10 to 15 really isn't all that great.

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10 May 2011 23:14 #19 by Blazer Bob
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11 May 2011 12:51 #20 by ScienceChic
Another viewpoint on Obama's message, just FYI for the thread. Considering how effective the Democrats "attempts" have been at illegal immigration, I think "mocking the Republicans" is hypocritical, political grandstanding. Neither party is willing to address this issue as it should be.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/05/oba ... eech-texas
Obama and Immigration Reform: Politics or Policy?
— By Suzy Khimm
| Tue May. 10, 2011

A renewed emphasis on the economic argument for immigration would be a welcome shift—not just for the White House, but for the broader immigration debate, where heavy enforcement tactics like Arizona's draconian immigration law have taken center stage. Though the Republican Party has moved dramatically to the right on immigration, business leaders like Rupert Murdoch and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg have remained committed to a comprehensive overhaul, given the economic benefits of immigration. Even the Wall Street Journal's notoriously conservative op-ed page has played up the importance of America’s young immigrant labor force to the country's future economic prosperity. A focus on the economic benefits of immigration could encourage more moderate, pro-business voices to come forward to press for a comprehensive solution.

And though they recognize that gridlock on Capitol Hill precludes a major bill from passing under the current Congress—with even the popular, smaller-scale DREAM Act failing to pass last year—advocates may still be feeling burned from Obama's decision to put immigration reform on the back burner earlier in his administration. Instead, the timing of Obama’s renewed immigration push may give the impression that the move is largely a political ploy to win over Hispanic voters in 2012. Until Obama eases up enforcement and lays out a specific timeline to tackle immigration reform in his second term—with Democratic majorities in both houses to support his plan—he may have a tough time coming across as a credible immigration reform advocate.


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