Global cooling

15 Jun 2011 08:30 #1 by Blazer Bob
Global cooling was created by Blazer Bob
http://www.space.com/11960-fading-sunsp ... cycle.html

"The results of the new studies were announced today (June 14) at the annual meeting of the solar physics division of the American Astronomical Society, which is being held this week at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces.

"The solar cycle may be going into a hiatus," Frank Hill, associate director of the National Solar Observatory's Solar Synoptic Network, said in a news briefing today (June 14).

The studies looked at a missing jet stream in the solar interior, fading sunspots on the sun's visible surface, and changes in the corona and near the poles. [Photos: Sunspots on Earth's Star]

"This is highly unusual and unexpected," Hill said. "But the fact that three completely different views of the sun point in the same direction is a powerful indicator that the sunspot cycle may be going into hibernation."

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15 Jun 2011 09:18 #2 by Wily Fox aka Angela
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Here's another article about our Sun from Discovery

http://news.discovery.com/space/is-the- ... 10614.html

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15 Jun 2011 09:27 #3 by UNDER MODERATION
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What do we really know about the Sun?..It could blow up tommarow or change just a little and we'd all be dead. Thats why i'm sitting by a pool, under an umbrella with lil Precious, having a little smoke, reading the racing form, and drinking Blue Mountain Coffee today. Life is great!

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15 Jun 2011 09:37 #4 by Rick
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Everybody knows the sun has little to do with global warming or cooling....it's our fault the climate is changing so we should not try blaming the sun. It's just a beautiful glowing orb that makes my flowers grow (awaiting 3 pages of quotes and links from some scientific journal now) :wink:

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15 Jun 2011 09:43 #5 by FredHayek
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Maybe God is balancing out the human heat islands with a weakened sun?

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15 Jun 2011 09:49 #6 by OmniScience
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More evidence of how little we know about the sun and it's influence on our planet.

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15 Jun 2011 12:07 #7 by ScienceChic
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The sun obviously does have an effect on the climate; the lack of sunspot activity merely means that the coming warming won't be as strong as it would've been: the CO2 continues to rise in the atmosphere so the warming is inevitable. At some point in our future, the sun's output will be so strong that it will be the driver of our climate - we could have zero ppm of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and the temps will be frying us anyway unless we find a way to block the energy hitting the earth (we'll turn into Venus essentially). In the past, high CO2 and other greenhouse gases is all that kept us from turning into Mars - it's been a fortuitous series of events that have kept our climate within ranges for recovery from freezing into Mars or runaway greenhouse effects turning us into Venus, and allowing the diversity of life to occur that we've witnessed in the fossil record and that lives today. What worries environmental activists and climatologists, and makes them sound all "doom and gloom" at times, is that there's virtually no effort made to reduce our fossil fuel use and if we were to extract and burn all fossil fuels currently locked in the earth, there is a good possibility of creating runaway greenhouse effect - a la Venus.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... al-warming
Scientists say rare drop in sunspot activity could cause global cooling
June 15, 2011

But scientists warn that the temperature change due to a decline in sunspot activity would likely be minimal and not enough to compensate for global warming.

"A new Maunder-type solar activity minimum cannot offset the global warming caused by human greenhouse gas emissions," wrote authors Georg Feulner and Stefan Rahmstorf, AFP reports.

"Moreover, any offset of global warming due to a grand minimum of solar activity would be merely a temporary effect, since the distinct solar minima during the last millennium typically lasted for only several decades or a century at most."

Edit to add: http://topicfire.com/share/The-Sun-may- ... 54494.html
The Sun may be headed for a little quiet time

However (isn’t there always a "however"?), back in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, there was a crippling cold snap in Europe called the Little Ice Age, and it coincided with a time of almost no sunspots or other solar activity (called the Maunder Minimum). The connection still isn’t all that clear — for example, North America had climate issues too, but not as severe as Europe, and while the winters in Europe were terrible, the summers weren’t all that much cooler. Apparently there were other factors, including volcanic eruptions and an unusually weak jet stream (which is affected by ozone production in the Earth’s upper atmosphere, which in turn was lowered due to lower solar activity!), amplifying this effect. You can read about this in detail in my book Death from the Skies!

Mind you, these indicators don’t say much about the long-term magnetic health of the Sun; only that we may experience a weak peak in 2013 and a weaker or delayed peak the time around. After that, who knows?

Also, it seems very unlikely to me that we might experience another global cooling period due to this weakened sunspot cycle, but it shows you that there are very sensitive effects going on here that are very difficult to predict — and let me take this chance here to say that no, the Sun is not responsible for global warming, as has been shown fairly conclusively . It can mildly amplify or suppress such things, but is not the main driver of it. If it were, we’d see very strong correlations between the climate and solar activity on a decade-by-decade basis (or even shorter as sunspots form and dissipate over the course of days and weeks). We don’t, and therefore the Sun is not the culprit.

OmniScience wrote: More evidence of how little we know about the sun and it's influence on our planet.

There's plenty that is known - check it out!
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... 2nd-round/

We have already discussed the connection between solar activity ( here , here , here , and here ), and this new analysis does not alter our previous conclusions: that there is not much evidence pointing to the sun being responsible for the warming since the 1950s.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... -sunspots/

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/ar ... te-change/

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-a ... arming.htm
Temperature vs solar activity


SS109 wrote: Maybe God is balancing out the human heat islands with a weakened sun?

Human heat islands is an artificial, very localized phenomena that has been accounted for in AGW models. It's a term used only by contrarians who try to confuse the issue of global warming by claiming that temperature measurements aren't being uncorrected for and global temps therefore have been overestimated. The sun has a global effect, and when climatologists speak of global warming, they mean the averaged entire earth temps - not one region or another (for example, did you know that the Arctic itself has already warmed by an average of 3°C compared to the average of 0.6°C for the whole earth?)

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15 Jun 2011 13:49 #8 by FredHayek
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It will be interesting to see if heat miser or cold miser guesses right about the effect of decreased solar/sunspot activity. How many decades of good solar research & climate causality do we have to look at?

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15 Jun 2011 14:17 #9 by ScienceChic
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SS109 wrote: It will be interesting to see if heat miser or cold miser guesses right about the effect of decreased solar/sunspot activity. How many decades of good solar research & climate causality do we have to look at?

The more comprehensive, and precise data has come since satellites were launched.
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy09osti/45375.pdf

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/solar.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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15 Jun 2011 19:10 #10 by UNDER MODERATION
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CriticalBill wrote: Everybody knows the sun has little to do with global warming or cooling....



Ah.........Yeah Ok Einstein- Try to do without it for a day or two and see if the globe cools off.

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