Is 9-10% unemployment going to be the new normal?

LadyJazzer wrote: Not every generation did it to themselves intentionally to prove a political point. The children are in the house.....(or more correctly, the House.)

You mean the ONLY House that has offered and passed two different bills? Not the Senate or Obama. They want a compromise but won't offer anything. They just want to hear the words then they will try and figure out what they are talking about. A child IS in the White House.

The Viking wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Not every generation did it to themselves intentionally to prove a political point. The children are in the house.....(or more correctly, the House.)

You mean the ONLY House that has offered and passed two different bills? Not the Senate or Obama. They want a compromise but won't offer anything. They just want to hear the words then they will try and figure out what they are talking about. A child IS in the White House.

Compromise? you really think the Republicans are willing to compromise? haven't you read anything about these negotiations? Obama and the Democrats have offered more to the Republicans they they should have to.....but still the Republicans move the goal post and say it's not enough. Well it will never be enough to them till they have appeased their tea party masters and given themselves and the corps everything they want. Obama was right....Republicans are incapable of saying "yes" to anything.

The bills passed by the house were a childish attempt at forcing the president and the senate to give them everything they want.......wasting precious time playing games with America's future. What a bunch of prima donnas.

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The Viking wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Not every generation did it to themselves intentionally to prove a political point. The children are in the house.....(or more correctly, the House.)

You mean the ONLY House that has offered and passed two different bills? Not the Senate or Obama. They want a compromise but won't offer anything. They just want to hear the words then they will try and figure out what they are talking about. A child IS in the White House.

Compromise? you really think the Republicans are willing to compromise? haven't you read anything about these negotiations? Obama and the Democrats have offered more to the Republicans they they should have to.....but still the Republicans move the goal post and say it's not enough. Well it will never be enough to them till they have appeased their tea party masters and given themselves and the corps everything they want. Obama was right....Republicans are incapable of saying "yes" to anything.

The bills passed by the house were a childish attempt at forcing the president and the senate to give them everything they want.......wasting precious time playing games with America's future. What a bunch of prima donnas.

OK, I was going to post a whole thread on this and maybe still will. The Republican's have not had any say for 4 years. ALL bills that got us to this point were written by the totally controlled Democrat congress. They never compormised on anything and passed everything they wanted expecially after Obama took over and they controlled all three houses for 2 years. The Republicans could say no but the Dems just forced everything through. Trillions that the R's didn't want. SO the Dem's got trillions in the last few years without ANY compromise needed. Now that the R's have the House, the D's are saying. Hey, I know that we voted in ALL of this mess and debt but now you the R's have to compromise to help pay for the things that you didn't want in the first place and warned us about. BS!! The Dems in congress and the White House are the greediest bunch of people that have ever run this country as you can see by the largest debt ever run up under them. NOW they want to tell the R's that they have to give more? I pray they realize that the D's screwed all of us and dug this hole and now THEY need to suck it up and figure out how to pay for it!

This compromise BS doesn't fly with anyone with an IQ over 80. The R's have had to compromise for 4 years on everything while the D's just took and forced everything through. It is time for the D's to pay the piper. Nice try libs. The 4 years of compromising and watching the Dems run our debt up trillions is over!

To the winners go the spoils....the democrats didn't have to compromise when they had the votes to pass bills....though they didn't always have that ability with some democrats voting with the Republicans. But sure if you have both houses and the president you can get a lot of what you want done. That isn't the case with the Republicans....they have the House....the Democrats have the Senate and the Presidency....for the Republicans to think that their tail can wag the dog and Democrats will just roll over and play dead is naive at best.....down right stupid if you really think about it. There will be no bill if they won't compromise, and that is what I think they want, If the democrats won't do it their way they will take their toys and leave. childish.

What a whiney bunch they are......if they had won the senate and the house they might have more clout......but they didn't so get over it. I'm quite sure they took full advantage of their majority when they had the house and the senate.......but now they are crying and whining and bitching that the democrats won't give them what they want. Poor little spoiled children.

The Viking wrote: This compromise BS doesn't fly with anyone with an IQ over 80. The R's have had to compromise for 4 years on everything while the D's just took and forced everything through. It is time for the D's to pay the piper. Nice try libs. The 4 years of compromising and watching the Dems run our debt up trillions is over!

awwwwww......the poor Republicans.....they had to compromise....horrors....well guess what.....they STILL have to compromise. What is really amusing is that anyone with an IQ over 80 can see that what Obama and the Democrats have offered is far more than they should have to, and actually lowers the deficit more than the Republicans bill will. Anyone with an IQ over 10 can see that the Republicans are grandstanding and have no intention of doing what's right, only what benefits them and their tea party bosses. Never thought I'd see the day when the GOP would be running scared from a right wing fringe group, that in the end may well destroy the party, especially with the American voters,

Americans want the Republicans to compromise, Americans want there to be an increase in revenue, Americans want this deal done.....but we are now learning that the Republicans don't give a damn about what Americans want or what is good for this country.

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chickaree wrote: Absolutely. People are awfully quick to call the USA TKO'd. Every generation has had a similar crisis and we've always bounced back. I don't hold with the theory that people today are lesser being than those of the past.

I don't buy the theory that people are "lesser" today, either. That wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to the fact that our economy is based on a doomed paradigm, one of infinite growth in a finite world.

Seems like time is running out for kidding ourselves on that one much longer.

The paradigm is doomed. It will fail. But regardless of what the paradigm is, people are organisms and as such respond to their environmental pressures, be they physical, emotional economical, or whatever. People and how they live will evolve by adapting to the changes one way or another. Everyone will have to work at something (whatever that might be) to survive. It's not a matter of survival of the fittest as much as survival of the most adaptable. Competition for limited resource is part of the ecologic equation. It's outcome is expressed as the competitive exclusion principle. Less competitive organisms are relegated to environmental refuges or excluded and die. Rarely, does such a situation develop symbiosis. If I take ecologic theory as a guiding principle, then I do see many people making major adjustments in their life, some dying off, but I do not see any situation where you are going to be able to sustain them on welfare. Welfare at best, can be seen as an environmental disturbance. It fosters un-natural conditions that make a group highly susceptible to community collapse. For example a food shortage is likely to hit there the hardest, resulting in widespread death. There is no example of welfare in nature. That is the harsh reality, everyone and every living thing must produce. We are all part of nature's "don't care who you are, either respond, or fall by the wayside" attitude. Nature just is. Consequently, I see major changes ahead, and it's not going to be pretty.

Our nation walks a tightrope. Teeter too far left or right and we fall. Compromise brings us back to balance. If we do fall it will because of this.

chickaree wrote: Our nation walks a tightrope. Teeter too far left or right and we fall. Compromise brings us back to balance. If we do fall it will because of this.

i really do not see it as being a tightrope. If you look at natural systems there is tremendous diversity away from the norm. A significant difference is that everything within those systems is in tune. Man, thinks he knows best or understands how things work and tries to regulate or manage systems (in this case societies function) forgetting that it evolves much like everything in nature. As with many meaningful yet painfully blundered attempts by man to impose his will on nature, the imposition of an artificial support system is doomed to failure. It does not mean man will fail or go to extinction, but there will be some brutal adjustments ahead. No walk on a tightrope will prevent it from happening. The direction we are heading (toward a major and painful upheaval of the comforts we know and take fro granted) will disappear and be replaced by who knows what? Just a thought.

Rockdoc - you been reading Spencer? Maybe some of the Austrian economists?

I suppose I accept these ideas - which is why I'm in education (to help train people to be adaptable, giving them a higher chance of surviving).

I've been watching the gulf region of the Muddle East shift from benevolence-based ---- to competitive "merit-based." (I'm finding merit does not necessarily mean better).

It wasn't that long ago when a prospective client asked to see my twitter page (I don't have one).

Personally - I don't see how on earth twitter would add value to what I do ---- but for some reason, this client thought it was important.