Science Chic wrote: I think there would be if there was a strong enough movement by the People - in this country, historically, those in charge have ultimately yielded to public demand. It takes a while, and a real, demonstrable effort that's loud, persistent, and consistent is required, but it does work (great thing, democracy). The movement has yet to start in earnest though.
Not to toot the Communities Bound horn, but one of the reasons that I've bought in heart and mind to this business vision is I see it as a vehicle for these kinds of movements. Everything starts local, and if we get local community sites linked together across the nation, we'd be a force to be reckoned with - a voice of the People - the distortions and bias of the MSM would be diluted through the mechanism of the forums. Maybe I'm crazy, but it sounds good to me!
I agree SC. Sadly we have been too effectively divided into camps. The left and right point fingers at each other and try to assign the blame to the others party and assume none of the responsibility themselves. We squander the only remaining influence we possess, our votes, on silly team based behaviors.
Science Chic wrote: I think there would be if there was a strong enough movement by the People - in this country, historically, those in charge have ultimately yielded to public demand. It takes a while, and a real, demonstrable effort that's loud, persistent, and consistent is required, but it does work (great thing, democracy). The movement has yet to start in earnest though.
Not to toot the Communities Bound horn, but one of the reasons that I've bought in heart and mind to this business vision is I see it as a vehicle for these kinds of movements. Everything starts local, and if we get local community sites linked together across the nation, we'd be a force to be reckoned with - a voice of the People - the distortions and bias of the MSM would be diluted through the mechanism of the forums. Maybe I'm crazy, but it sounds good to me!
I agree SC. Sadly we have been too effectively divided into camps. The left and right point fingers at each other and try to assign the blame to the others party and assume none of the responsibility themselves. We squander the only remaining influence we possess, our votes, on silly team based behaviors.
And if you listen to obama ever since he has been elected, he has blamed EVERYTHING on Bush and the Republicans. He is the most divisive President in recent history.
:rofl rofllol Who made up THAT chart? Look at the debt in 2010 and 2011. They aren't close to those numbers! And which party controlled the House and Senate in 2007 and 2008 that passed ALL the spending bills and bailouts? The Dems.
Science Chic wrote: I think there would be if there was a strong enough movement by the People - in this country, historically, those in charge have ultimately yielded to public demand. It takes a while, and a real, demonstrable effort that's loud, persistent, and consistent is required, but it does work (great thing, democracy). The movement has yet to start in earnest though.
Not to toot the Communities Bound horn, but one of the reasons that I've bought in heart and mind to this business vision is I see it as a vehicle for these kinds of movements. Everything starts local, and if we get local community sites linked together across the nation, we'd be a force to be reckoned with - a voice of the People - the distortions and bias of the MSM would be diluted through the mechanism of the forums. Maybe I'm crazy, but it sounds good to me!
I agree SC. Sadly we have been too effectively divided into camps. The left and right point fingers at each other and try to assign the blame to the others party and assume none of the responsibility themselves. We squander the only remaining influence we possess, our votes, on silly team based behaviors.
And if you listen to obama ever since he has been elected, he has blamed EVERYTHING on Bush and the Republicans. He is the most divisive President in recent history.
You lame brains blamed 9-11 on Clinton, isn't that the new MO?
Science Chic wrote: I think there would be if there was a strong enough movement by the People - in this country, historically, those in charge have ultimately yielded to public demand. It takes a while, and a real, demonstrable effort that's loud, persistent, and consistent is required, but it does work (great thing, democracy). The movement has yet to start in earnest though.
Not to toot the Communities Bound horn, but one of the reasons that I've bought in heart and mind to this business vision is I see it as a vehicle for these kinds of movements. Everything starts local, and if we get local community sites linked together across the nation, we'd be a force to be reckoned with - a voice of the People - the distortions and bias of the MSM would be diluted through the mechanism of the forums. Maybe I'm crazy, but it sounds good to me!
I agree SC. Sadly we have been too effectively divided into camps. The left and right point fingers at each other and try to assign the blame to the others party and assume none of the responsibility themselves. We squander the only remaining influence we possess, our votes, on silly team based behaviors.
And if you listen to obama ever since he has been elected, he has blamed EVERYTHING on Bush and the Republicans. He is the most divisive President in recent history.
You lame brains blamed 9-11 on Clinton, isn't that the new MO?
WOW!! Serioiusly? You guys can't stay in the present can you? Your deflections are amazing! No one except SC has answered the question. Libs on this site are pathetic at discussions and debates. But....but.....but..... what about Bush!! or but.......but.......but...... what about Clinton or Reagan? You did it too! :rofl rofllol
And if Osama was handed to Bush on a platter 4 times prior to 9/11, I guaratee you that he would have been dead and we would not have had 9/11? But Clinton was under his desk with an intern. So YES I put a LOT of blame on him. I will type slowly here. WHAT does Clinton and 9/11 have to do with my math question and what this thread is about? LOOK!!! Squirrel!!! :bash :bash
Doncha just love statistics .....you can make the numbers say anything you want......which is why I usually just pass over such stuff. I guess my math minor has made a skeptic out of me. It's too easy to pick and choose which numbers to use, and how to present them that they are rarely reliable. Kinda like polling numbers.
archer wrote: Doncha just love statistics .....you can make the numbers say anything you want......which is why I usually just pass over such stuff. I guess my math minor has made a skeptic out of me. It's too easy to pick and choose which numbers to use, and how to present them that they are rarely reliable. Kinda like polling numbers.
I just posted ACTUAL numbers for 2009 and 2010. And 6 months away from the 2011, it is pretty acurate. Wow you guys are tools.
First of all, you need to stop confusing debt with the deficit.
In your fist post you said the debt under Bush in his last year was $400 billion. No, that was the deficit. The debt was far higher.
So I gave you a graph of yearly deficits from the conservative Cato institute. And the graph is pretty close to the one you just provided, except for the projected deficit in 2011. Cato used a CBO number, your source (can you give the exact link?) used OMB data. 2011 projections isn't part of what I'm saying anyway.
The main point is you can't blame Obama for the $1.4 trillion deficit in 2009. That fiscal year started Oct 1st, 2008 under Bush. And the biggest item that Bush added to the 2009 deficit was the TARP bill (up to $700 billion). That was Bush's bill, not Obama's.
