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02 Sep 2011 21:53 #31
by swampfish
I disagree with the basic information - I think he errs on more than one point here:
• KEY 1: Party mandate. After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than it did after the previous midterm elections. (FALSE)
• KEY 2: Contest. There is no serious contest for the incumbent-party nomination. (TRUE)
• KEY 3: Incumbency. The incumbent-party candidate is the sitting president. (TRUE)
• KEY 4: Third party. There is no significant third-party or independent campaign. (TRUE)
• KEY 5: Short-term economy. The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. (TRUE) (FALSE - we've been in a recession since the market collapsed in '09, and Obama has been campaigning the whole time he's been in office...
• KEY 6: Long-term economy. Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. (FALSE)
• KEY 7: Policy change. The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (TRUE) FALSE: unless you're referring to Obamacare, which the high courts have ruled unconstitutional, I'm not seeing it.
• KEY 8: Social unrest. There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (TRUE) FALSE: It may not be 'major social unrest' but a 20% unemployment rate does not connote a happy society.
• KEY 9: Scandal. The administration is untainted by major scandal. (TRUE) FALSE: Fast and Furious, for starters. By the time 2012 rolls around we should have our pick of major scandals.
• KEY 10: Foreign/military failure. The administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (TRUE) FALSE - Obama hasn't had a major success since he's been in office - the violence in Iraq is rising; the troops are suffering from a prolonged directionless conflict in Afghanistan; and Libya isn't even a formal declaration of war; all of which spells failure in general in military affairs - enough to be a major factor
• KEY 11: Foreign/military success. The administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs. (FALSE)
• KEY 12: Incumbent charisma. The incumbent-party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (FALSE) He's still charismatic, would like to be a national hero
• KEY 13: Challenger charisma: The challenging-party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (TRUE) FALSE: You can't call this until one of several candidates steps up to the plate.
When five or fewer are false, the incumbent party candidate wins. When six or more are false, the other party candidate wins.
I don't think he's headed back into office (unless of course he hacks the voting machines) because too many people regardless of political affiliation are disgusted with the charlatan.
We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give. - Sir Winston Churchill
Vice Lord wrote: Lets stay on topic people
I disagree with the basic information - I think he errs on more than one point here:
• KEY 1: Party mandate. After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than it did after the previous midterm elections. (FALSE)
• KEY 2: Contest. There is no serious contest for the incumbent-party nomination. (TRUE)
• KEY 3: Incumbency. The incumbent-party candidate is the sitting president. (TRUE)
• KEY 4: Third party. There is no significant third-party or independent campaign. (TRUE)
• KEY 5: Short-term economy. The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. (TRUE) (FALSE - we've been in a recession since the market collapsed in '09, and Obama has been campaigning the whole time he's been in office...
• KEY 6: Long-term economy. Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. (FALSE)
• KEY 7: Policy change. The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (TRUE) FALSE: unless you're referring to Obamacare, which the high courts have ruled unconstitutional, I'm not seeing it.
• KEY 8: Social unrest. There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (TRUE) FALSE: It may not be 'major social unrest' but a 20% unemployment rate does not connote a happy society.
• KEY 9: Scandal. The administration is untainted by major scandal. (TRUE) FALSE: Fast and Furious, for starters. By the time 2012 rolls around we should have our pick of major scandals.
• KEY 10: Foreign/military failure. The administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (TRUE) FALSE - Obama hasn't had a major success since he's been in office - the violence in Iraq is rising; the troops are suffering from a prolonged directionless conflict in Afghanistan; and Libya isn't even a formal declaration of war; all of which spells failure in general in military affairs - enough to be a major factor
• KEY 11: Foreign/military success. The administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs. (FALSE)
• KEY 12: Incumbent charisma. The incumbent-party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (FALSE) He's still charismatic, would like to be a national hero
• KEY 13: Challenger charisma: The challenging-party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (TRUE) FALSE: You can't call this until one of several candidates steps up to the plate.
When five or fewer are false, the incumbent party candidate wins. When six or more are false, the other party candidate wins.
I don't think he's headed back into office (unless of course he hacks the voting machines) because too many people regardless of political affiliation are disgusted with the charlatan.
We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give. - Sir Winston Churchill
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04 Sep 2011 14:48 #33
by lionshead2010
Replied by lionshead2010 on topic It's over
Uh oh! Houston, we have a problem.
Obama, Democrats Losing Labor Union Support
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/0 ... lnk2|92756
In the early days of the Obama administration, organized labor had grand visions of pushing through a sweeping agenda that would help boost sagging membership and help revive union strength.
Now labor faces this reality: Public employee unions are in a drawn-out fight for their very survival in Wisconsin, Ohio and other states where GOP lawmakers have curbed collective bargaining rights.
Also, many union leaders are grousing that the president they worked so hard to elect has not focused enough on job creation and other bold plans to get their members back to work.
But at the same time, unions have begun shifting money and resources out of Democratic congressional campaigns and back to the states in a furious effort to reverse or limit GOP measures that could wipe out union rolls.
The AFL-CIO's president, Richard Trumka, says it's part of a new strategy for labor to build an independent voice separate from the Democratic Party.
Union donations to federal candidates at the beginning of this year were down about 40 percent compared with the same period in 2009, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Last month, a dozen trade unions said they would boycott next year's Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C., over frustration on the economy and to protest the event's location in a right-to-work state.
At the risk of being called a moron by a moron, I would say that it doesn't matter what the thirteen indicators say, if the Democrat Party loses the support of the big unions...then it's over baby.
"An independent voice separate from the Democratic Party". Holy sh--! Without the unions, there IS no Democrat Party.
But all in all, I would say that the Democrats should stick with their talking points, continue to errogantly assume that they have it all sewn up and have a poor turnout in the upcoming election. I can hardly wait to see your comment's on the morning after the election.
Priceless!
Obama, Democrats Losing Labor Union Support
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/0 ... lnk2|92756
In the early days of the Obama administration, organized labor had grand visions of pushing through a sweeping agenda that would help boost sagging membership and help revive union strength.
Now labor faces this reality: Public employee unions are in a drawn-out fight for their very survival in Wisconsin, Ohio and other states where GOP lawmakers have curbed collective bargaining rights.
Also, many union leaders are grousing that the president they worked so hard to elect has not focused enough on job creation and other bold plans to get their members back to work.
But at the same time, unions have begun shifting money and resources out of Democratic congressional campaigns and back to the states in a furious effort to reverse or limit GOP measures that could wipe out union rolls.
The AFL-CIO's president, Richard Trumka, says it's part of a new strategy for labor to build an independent voice separate from the Democratic Party.
Union donations to federal candidates at the beginning of this year were down about 40 percent compared with the same period in 2009, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Last month, a dozen trade unions said they would boycott next year's Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C., over frustration on the economy and to protest the event's location in a right-to-work state.
At the risk of being called a moron by a moron, I would say that it doesn't matter what the thirteen indicators say, if the Democrat Party loses the support of the big unions...then it's over baby.
"An independent voice separate from the Democratic Party". Holy sh--! Without the unions, there IS no Democrat Party.
But all in all, I would say that the Democrats should stick with their talking points, continue to errogantly assume that they have it all sewn up and have a poor turnout in the upcoming election. I can hardly wait to see your comment's on the morning after the election.
Priceless!
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05 Sep 2011 03:03 #37
by Rockdoc
rofllol rofllol rofllol Thanks, I needed a good belly laugh todayCriticalBill wrote:
Vice Lord wrote:
Martin Ent Inc wrote: Fu'k off. there is no one on this board that stays on topic especially you.
It's all about you. no matter what the fu'k we post it turns into you.
I agree, but thats not my intention
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