Here we go it has already begun.

Kate wrote: It remains to be seen if the Republicans will shoot themselves in the foot again with another poor candidate.

I guess that depends on how much the Republican choice is watered down with a bunch of self labeled progressives polluting the nomination process of the Republican party hoping to have a candidate Obama can beat chosen to run against him. Paul, Perry, Bachman, Cain........I'd take any of them over Romney. Moderates don't beat incumbents - you want a candidate as different from the incumbent as possible if you are hoping to beat a sitting president running for reelection. If, as archer seems to believe, Obama is indeed a moderate, what difference will it make which party the moderate is chosen from? If we are only going to get a chance to choose between 2 moderates, what is to be gained by kicking to the curb the one we already have?

The time for moderate adjustment to the current course is well behind us at this point. What we need now is a drastic change of heading for this ship of state. Is there really a large difference in how quickly we reach the shore of national bankruptcy we are currently being steered towards by tacking left or right a few degrees? Of course not; what we need now is a large course correction. There are two choices to be made and we must make a clear choice between those two courses. One steers us towards social democracy and an end to any pretense that there is a limit to the scope and breadth of central power and authority; the other steers us towards the ideal of coordinated powers of government and limited authority as originally set forth in our Constitution when a national government was outright rejected as having a possibility of effecting our future Security and Happiness in a positive way. Not a hard choice to make IMNTBHO.

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archer wrote: I never thought of Obama as a uber-lefty, which is why I supported Hillary.....Obama is a moderate, 20 years ago he would have been considered a conservative.

Thanks for the laugh archer. I needed a good one today and that was a bellyshaker. Obama a moderate indeed. He sold that lie once already, I don't see him being able to sell it again in 2012 after his legislative agenda during his first term in office regardless of how hard he tries and regardless of how often the left tries to paint his opponent as "extreme" in the time between no and election day. Going to have to find a new playbook for 2012 archer, Rules for Radicals will no longer be an effective one to follow.

I don't think Obama even knows what he is. He seems like a deer in the headlights half of the time, the other half he spends doing backflips for donors.

Its a matter of perspective...from your view...so far right you can't see the middle,yeah, Obama probably looks like a far left liberal. To those who actually are on the left, Obama is as far right as we ever hope to see in the White House. He has managed to alienate the liberal base, but those conservative who would ordinarily agree with his policies can't see beyond their hatred to see a president who is closer to them than he is to the left.

archer wrote: Its a matter of perspective...from your view...so far right you can't see the middle,yeah, Obama probably looks like a far left liberal. To those who actually are on the left, Obama is as far right as we ever hope to see in the White House. He has managed to alienate the liberal base, but those conservative who would ordinarily agree with his policies can't see beyond their hatred to see a president who is closer to them than he is to the left.

Thank you archer. Finally some truth from the Left. These people consider Obama as far Right as they ever want to see in the White House and don't consider themselves FAR Left. Please get out and vote in a conservative before they make us the Peoples Republic of the Americas.

From one of Obama's mentors. http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm -