Steve Jobs...a fitting last name.

Absolutely. :thumbsup:

IIRC, I think I read in a profile once that Jobs and Wozniak were originally hippies in a commune. Good to see they did something productive with their lives.

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Something the Dog Said wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Guess it's a good thing for all of us that Ms. Simpson didn't get pregnant out of wedlock in an era where aborting the pregnancy was an acceptable alternative to the course she took. Ever wonder how many Jobs' never got the chance to bless our society with their abilities as a result of that fundamental transformation?

Way to turn a eulogy of a great business leader into a nasty partisan/religious attack.

I guess the truth is a bit much for you to bear most days, huh Dog. The people of this nation benefited greatly from both the products and the mind of Steven Jobs, neither of which would have been possible if his mother had decided that it just wasn't a convenient time for her to have a child, she was the victim of an unintended pregnancy, or she simply wasn't interested in being a mom yet and aborting her pregnancy.

I think it a proper time, when contemplating and celebrating the life of a man who gave us so much, to stop and consider how many others like him we will never have the pleasure of meeting, never have the benefit of their creativity, never realize the benefit of their humanity or their philanthropy.

Sorry Dog, only someone with their heart filled with hate could possibly attempt to twist such philosophical contemplations into something ugly and nasty. For the rest of us it is simply a part of the special gift that Jobs' life represented and how much ending that life before he was born would have cost us all in the end.

Somehow I doubt that Steve Jobs would have appreciated your bringing in your religious views at the time of his death. Honor him for what he has done, not to push your demagoguery. I have no hate in my heart, life is too short to spend it on such things, particularly on an obscure forum post.

Such demagoguery can have no foundation other than hate Dog. I have not brought religious views into this thread, you have, unsurprisingly inaccurately, accused me of doing so, but there is no evidence of fact, again unsurprisingly, to sustain that accusation. I merely reflected on the likelihood of the loss of at least one Steven Jobs as a result of the fundamental transformation that now views as acceptable the destruction of one created under similar circumstances as he was and noted what all of us would have been denied had that societal view been as widely accepted at the time of his creation as it is today.

Death is a time for reflection Dog. As we reflect upon all that this man has done with his life that was tragically much shorter than any of us would have liked, it is quite natural to also reflect on the hole that would have existed if he had never been here at all; which is a distinct possibility given the current state of our society and the "progressive" mores that have evolved during the time in which he was alive.

As usual, BS. You are now denying that you were projecting your religious beliefs relating to the denying reproductive choices of women on others while using the death of a businessman as your platform for doing so. It could be equally argued that since 16% of all serial killers were raised by adopted parents, that the converse is true, that who knows how many serial killers were prevented by abortion. Or it could be that both arguments are mere demagoguery which you claim can only be caused by hate. It is a meaningless analogy that you are attempting as it simply can not be proven.

St. Dip S..., like the line from the 13th Warrior, "your words are as feeble and twisted as an old womans." Sorry blue hairs, it couldn't be helped.

Something the Dog Said wrote: As usual, BS. You are now denying that you were projecting your religious beliefs relating to the denying reproductive choices of women on others while using the death of a businessman as your platform for doing so. It could be equally argued that since 16% of all serial killers were raised by adopted parents, that the converse is true, that who knows how many serial killers were prevented by abortion. Or it could be that both arguments are mere demagoguery which you claim can only be caused by hate. It is a meaningless analogy that you are attempting as it simply can not be proven.

Indeed I am - my views towards the rights to life are not religious in their formation. I can, have, and will again if necessary, defend my views without once relying on religious beliefs and bottoming the whole argument on a foundation of science and one of our founding documents.

And, to take your example of the percentage of serial killers, I only have one question to put to you. Who has impacted society more, those 16% of serial killers who were raised by adoptive parents or the one and only Steven Jobs? Would you trade the benefits of having Jobs to secure protection from the 16% of serial killers in light of that benefit analysis? Only if you were a fool would you deny the benefits of Jobs to society to protect it from the other group. Which, by the way, is a perfect manner in which to describe your actions thus far - foolish.

Steve Jobs = American Exceptionalism - something a liberal will never understand.