Jon Stewart nails it, again!

06 Oct 2011 13:55 #11 by BearMtnHIB

We can solve the whole problem of wealth buying favor simply by returning the federal government to its constitutionally limited role. If there is no benefit derived from contributing hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, to a political candidate or their party then it would be a waste of money instead of an investment of it to make those contributions. Pretty simple really, remove the power and you remove the incentive. I fail to understand why the "progressives" remain blind to this Ocham's Razor reality. Why is it that they remain blind to the reality that increased regulations harm the small business more than the large ones, which essentially turns the regulatory might of the federal government into a weapon against small businesses. The large companies are the ones that have the ability to absorb the cost of the burdens imposed by the federal government. That is why all of the regulations imposed by this administration are pandering to the Wall Street that financed their last campaign and are being expected to help finance the upcoming one as well. Wall Street gave more to the Democrats in 2008 - and look at all the benefits that investment has resulted in for them while Obama has been sitting behind the Resolute Desk. Centralization of power in the federal government is precisely why we are faced with a centralization of wealth. Decentralize the power and you will decentralize the wealth.


Once again PrintSmith nails the problem down- it's the overreach and resulting power that created this mess- return the government to it's intended limited function - and all this crap goes away!

Pretty simple really, remove the power and you remove the incentive. I fail to understand why the "progressives" remain blind to this Ocham's Razor reality


You'd think that the left would be as interested in this as the right- but many on the left are simply big government whores themselves- with personal gain to be had. The common man should realize that smaller limited government is in every citizens interest- left leaning or conservative.

We gotta get um to pass on the government tit.

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06 Oct 2011 13:59 #12 by Blazer Bob

CriticalBill wrote:

Soulshiner wrote: A good commentary on the subject.

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/002295.htm

As soon as I read "Tea Baggers", that was enough to know that link is a waste of time.


I read the link and thought it was an interesting insight
into liberal thinking. The longer they do not get it the more irrelevant they become.

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06 Oct 2011 14:01 #13 by AspenValley

neptunechimney wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Blind to it? I doubt it.

Let me see....endure irritation when dealing with red tape when running my small business or give up all regulation so I don't have to fill out so many forms but end up dead from eating adulterated unregulated food, radiated from unregulated nuclear power plants or maimed from an exploding unregulated defective product?

?


That's the choice? Enduring irritation or dieing?


People DO die when food and drugs are adulterated, when workplace conditions are not regulated, when products don't have any safety standards. But did you ever hear of anyone dying from having to abide by too many regulations?

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06 Oct 2011 14:06 #14 by Blazer Bob

AspenValley wrote:

neptunechimney wrote:

AspenValley wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Blind to it? I doubt it.

Let me see....endure irritation when dealing with red tape when running my small business or give up all regulation so I don't have to fill out so many forms but end up dead from eating adulterated unregulated food, radiated from unregulated nuclear power plants or maimed from an exploding unregulated defective product?

?


That's the choice? Enduring irritation or dieing?


People DO die when food and drugs are adulterated, when workplace conditions are not regulated, when products don't have any safety standards. But did you ever hear of anyone dying from having to abide by too many regulations?


Yes.

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06 Oct 2011 14:08 #15 by PrintSmith

AspenValley wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: Why is it that they remain blind to the reality that increased regulations harm the small business more than the large ones.


Blind to it? I doubt it.

Let me see....endure irritation when dealing with red tape when running my small business or give up all regulation so I don't have to fill out so many forms but end up dead from eating adulterated unregulated food, radiated from unregulated nuclear power plants or maimed from an exploding unregulated defective product?

You are wrong if you think people who think regulation has a place are blind to the downside, it just may be that they accept the cost of regulation rather than risk the cost of what happens in a totally unregulated market. And please spare me the fantasy talk about "perfect markets regulating themselves". Anyone who still believes in that fairy tale probably also believes in Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

Since you seem anxious to drag the nation back to the era of the Robber Barons, should we talk about the kind of horrors that unregulated period "enjoyed"? In hideously unsafe workplaces? In adulterated food? In quack remedies?

Who said anything about a wholly unregulated market? No one that I am aware of. Limited interference instead of liberal interference is all that is being requested. Why should the government get involved in the sale of whole milk between a farmer and their customer? I can certainly see where a mass marketing outfit should be subjected to the regulations, but why involve the government in the commerce between an Amish farmer and his customers who have chosen to buy their whole milk from an unpasteurized source? What purpose is served by interfering in the free choice of all of the involved individuals? I can tell you what purpose is served - protection of the corporate entity that is providing a product for hundreds of thousands of people instead of a mere hundred. But the same set of laws that applies to ADM applies to the Amish farmer to the detriment of the Amish farmer and the benefit of ADM because the Amish farmer doesn't have the resources to purchase and maintain the sophisticated equipment that is necessary to comply with the regulations. Decentralize the power and you decentralize the wealth. There is no good reason for the federal government to be involved in the commerce between an Amish farmer and a person in NYC who wishes to consume whole unpasteurized milk that the Amish farmer is willing to sell them. None whatsoever.

Now, you can use the tired and worn out tactic of attempting to paint the picture as one that contains only the extremes at either end, but there is a whole lot of territory that lies in the middle that such demagogic tactics ignore completely.

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06 Oct 2011 20:05 #16 by Arlen
Replied by Arlen on topic Jon Stewart nails it, again!

archer wrote: I believe the economy will turn around, I'm just not sure it will make a difference if the GOP is in charge or the Democrats are in charge.

I don't think the protest is as much political as it is societal....people are angry, that's a given. What they are angry about applies to both parties, for too long our society and our political system have been sold to the highest bidder.....a lot of money is spent by corporations and those with vast wealth on politicians of both parties to influence what they do and how they vote. If that money were spent on job creation, and/or reinvested into the company in R&D, which may in turn create jobs, we might well be in better shape as a nation. Not only do the wealthy and corps enjoy access to the seat of power that ordinary Americans do not, but they also pay well for perks and preferential treatment from government that citizens do not have.

Is it so wrong to want our government to be working for US, not for the money they can gain from lobbyists, not to mention their income, health coverage, perks, and more than generous pensions? The protesters see a lot of pain in mainstream America, but surely don't see that pain in the halls of congress, the white house, the big corporations, or the wealthiest 1% of Americans. Perception is everything, and the perception to middle class American citizens is they are being asked to sacrifice, while others profit.

How can the economy turn around whenever the Democrats are piling on trillions of $$$ of debt? THAT is why the Democrats must be driven from public office, so that the ecomony might be able to heal itself before it is too late! The ecomony will not turn around if uncontrolled spending continues.

Jon Stewart is not a serious commentator but, rather, a jackal.

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06 Oct 2011 20:24 #17 by Wayne Harrison
Actually, he's a comedian in the vein of Will Rogers, so you're right. He's not a serious commentator.

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06 Oct 2011 21:29 #18 by Residenttroll returns
The money grab baggers at Occupy Denver are morons. I engaged them again today. They are definitely Obama campaign implants.

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