Obama Wants to Inject U.S. Children with Anthrax

29 Oct 2011 16:22 #21 by Wayne Harrison
Nmysys isn't happy unless he's able to add nothing to the conversation.

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29 Oct 2011 16:34 #22 by ScienceChic
I have serious issues with people using vaccination testing review requests for purposes of political bashing.

First, this was a recommendation made to National Biodefense Science Board , by the Anthrax Vaccine Working Group , who's purpose was to "investigate particular issues around the use of Anthrax Vaccine Adsorbed (AVA), in pediatric populations. The AV WG will identify and explore the risk and benefits of using AVA vaccine in pediatric populations, including risk communication, legal and ethical considerations, and challenges through the continuum of preparedness and response. By September 22, 2011, the AV WG will generate a written report with recommendations for deliberation and vote by the NBSB for the Secretary of Health and Human Services synthesizing the issues and best course of action to prepare for a potential use of AVA in pediatric populations." They followed established protocol of reviewing the results of the 2.6 million vaccinations already administered to military personnel and weighing that against the risks of side effects versus the likelihood of a bioterrorist attack. This recommendation properly goes on to the FDA for review - the "Obama administration" has nothing to do with deciding whether it's implemented or not so get over your partisan outrage asap.

Second, vaccine testing in children is routine if the vaccine is going to be administered to children. This isn't "population control" - it's standard operating procedure and if the people who wrote the original article had bothered to do their due diligence, they would've found several cases of previous trials. Or maybe they didn't care to, as that wouldn't rile their readers up as much as they hope. :angry:
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2009 ... -children/

Federal health officials approved H1N1 vaccine studies on children after similar adult trials raised no major safety concerns.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-20/heal ... =PM:HEALTH

Kids roll up sleeves for H1N1 clinical trial

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009 ... 914208.htm

A pivotal efficacy trial of RTS,S, the world's most clinically advanced malaria vaccine candidate, is now underway in seven African countries. The trial, which is expected to involve up to 16,000 children

http://www.pronutrition.org/archive/200601/msg00014.php

The New England Journal of Medicine reports on tests of vaccines Rotateqand Rotarix involving 130,000 children.


As for this:

HEARTLESS wrote: Wow, many out there assumptions. 1. Controlled study and proven safety. This is but one example, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15231967 2. And that is a LIE, just like half the other stuff.... so now at least you admit half of the things posted about Obama and his admin are true. Thanks archer.

No, not many out-there assumptions. This vaccine has already been tested and monitored in over 2 million service personnel for over a decade. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtm ... rr5906a1_e

During January 1, 1998--December 31, 2008, nearly 12.4 million doses of AVA were distributed for DoD and domestic licensed use (AT Waytes, Emergent BioSolutions, personal communication, November 5, 2009); 8.4 million of these doses were administered to approximately 2.1 million military personnel during March 1, 1998--December 31, 2008 (P Garman, Military Vaccine Agency, personal communication, November 5, 2009). Data on the safety of AVA are only available for persons aged 18--65 years; no information is available on the safety of this vaccine in children or older adults (>65 years). Much of the published data comes from the routine DoD anthrax vaccination program. Several studies, including clinical trials and uncontrolled observational studies, have examined immediate or short-term adverse events (e.g., hours to days) that occurred after receipt of AVA (171--177). The majority of these events have been limited to local reactions (e.g., erythema, swelling, pain or tenderness, itching, and nodules) or mild, self-limited systemic symptoms (e.g., fever, chills, myalgia, arthralgia, and malaise). After a comprehensive review, the IOM committee (152) found no evidence that AVA recipients had a higher risk than the general population for life-threatening or permanently disabling adverse events immediately after receiving AVA and that rates and types of immediate or short-term reactions were comparable to those for other vaccines regularly administered to adults (152). ...studies of long-term health effects support the IOM finding (152) that no convincing evidence exists to indicate that the risk for developing long-term adverse health effects is higher among anthrax vaccine recipients. As with all vaccines, the possibility for rare adverse reactions does exist with AVA.


And your example, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15231967 , HEARTLESS, actually was looking at pertussis infections, not pertussis vaccinations, in relation to SIDS deaths. And they found that vaccinations lowered infants risk of death due to SIDS, if indeed some of their deaths were caused by pertussis infections (only 5% of children who died had pertussis positive cultures).

Also, fewer case subjects (33%) than control subjects (68%) had received age-adequate numbers of pertussis vaccine doses.

So again, vaccinations in children are a good thing. They can prevent infection and severe health consequences, including death.
Edit to add: vaccinations have not been found to be associated with an increase in risk of SIDS

Yes, there are risks involved with vaccinations, but they are usually blown out of proportion by those with an agenda, or complete ignorance. All the information a person could ever want to know, and more, about each vaccine is available for review so at to make an informed consent. There are multiple levels of review and safety procedures put in place that have made vaccinations the safest and most effective method of preventing disease in both children and adults. This story merely works to perpetuate those misconceptions and misinformation about vaccinations and the government's role in our health.
Vaccinations are voluntary, not mandatory;
trials are all voluntary, not mandatory,
not getting vaccinated is stupid, IMO, but it's your choice,
and stories like the OP piss me off. Take your partisan fight elsewhere.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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29 Oct 2011 16:49 - 29 Oct 2011 17:48 #23 by Wayne Harrison
Now you've gone and taken all the shock value out it.

"Obama Wants to Inject U.S. Children with Anthrax" sounds so much like the evil president called up one of his CDC buddies and said, "Hey, I want to inject children with anthrax. Wouldn't that be fun?"

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29 Oct 2011 17:31 #24 by archer
Isn't that interesting....SC managed to get her point across without threatening to ban the poster. Always nice to hang out on a message board run by an adult.

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29 Oct 2011 17:53 #25 by LadyJazzer
No, but it gave Nmy a chance to play his victim-card again...

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29 Oct 2011 18:05 #26 by ScienceChic

archer wrote: Isn't that interesting....SC managed to get her point across without threatening to ban the poster. Always nice to hang out on a message board run by an adult.

Someone mentioned banning??? I'm missing something... You haven't been cheating on me with other message boards, have you archer?! :lol:

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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29 Oct 2011 18:48 #27 by archer
Awww never SC...that was a reference to nmysys threatening to ban conservative voice from AHWBound because he didn't like his posts.

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29 Oct 2011 20:55 - 29 Oct 2011 21:03 #28 by Arlen
Let's all trust the government and the vaccine developers!

In 1960, it was determined that the rhesus monkey kidney cells used to prepare the poliovirus vaccines were infected with the SV40 virus (Simian Virus-40). SV40 was also discovered in 1960 and is a naturally occurring virus that infects monkeys. In 1961, SV40 was found to cause tumors in rodents. More recently, the virus was found in certain forms of cancer in humans, for instance brain and bone tumors, pleural and peritoneal mesothelioma, and some types of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. However, it has not been determined that SV40 causes these cancers.

SV40 was found to be present in stocks of the injected form of the polio vaccine (IPV) in use between 1955 to 1963. It is not found in the OPV form. Over 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine between 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans may have received a dose of vaccine contaminated with SV40. Later analysis suggested that vaccines produced by the former Soviet bloc countries until 1980, and used in the USSR, China, Japan, and several African countries, may have been contaminated; meaning hundreds of millions more may have been exposed to SV40 .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

SV40 stands for Simian Virus 40
SV40 was the 40th virus found in rhesus monkey kidney cells when these cells were used to make the polio vaccine. This virus contaminated both the Inactivated Polio Vaccine (IPV) created by Dr. Jonas Salk and the Oral or "Live" Polio Vaccine (OPV) created by Dr. Albert Sabin.

In 1961, SV40 was discovered by Dr. Bernice Eddy of the National Institute of Health, Division of Biologics when she took the material used to grow polio vaccines and injected it into hamsters. Tumors grew in the hamsters. Her discovery was subsequently validated by Drs. Maurice Hilliman and Benjamin Sweet of Merck.

Upon the discovery that SV40 was an animal carcinogen that had found its way into the polio vaccines, a new federal law was passed in 1961 that required that no vaccines contain this virus. However, this law did not require that SV40 contaminated vaccines be thrown away or that the contaminated seed material (used to make all polio vaccines for the next four decades) be discarded. As a result, known SV40 contaminated vaccines were injected into children up until 1963. In addition, it has been alleged that there have been SV40-contaminated batches of oral polio vaccine administered to some children until the end of the 1990's .



Children being fed sugar cubes with the oral polio vaccine. Circa 1961

http://www.sv40foundation.org/

Simian Virus 40 (SV40):
A Cancer Causing Monkey Virus
from FDA-Approved Vaccines

Michael E. Horwin, M.A., J.D.

By 1999, numerous pathologists, microbiologists, and virologists throughout the world had detected SV40 in a variety of human cancers such as brain tumors including medulloblastomas, bone cancers, and mesotheliomas a fatal lung cancer. These were the very same cancers that were created when SV40 was introduced into animals. The advent of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) technology that could identify the genetic code of specific strands of DNA demonstrated with precision that it was this monkey virus that was being detected in human cancers and no other. Moreover, the rates of these particular cancers had steadily increased over the last few decades. The question that had been left unanswered for almost four decades now faced scientists again—was SV40 responsible for causing or contributing to human cancers?

Over the last forty years since its discovery, SV40 had become one of the most widely studied and best understood viruses in microbiology. It was routinely used to create human cancers in the laboratory in order to test cancer therapies. In addition, it is now known how this virus caused cancer on a molecular level. After careful study documented in peer reviewed publications, leaders in SV40 research announced that SV40 was a class 2A human carcinogen .


http://www.sv40foundation.org/CPV-link.html

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29 Oct 2011 21:03 #29 by archer
What does that have to do with claiming that Obama wants to inject children with anthrax?

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29 Oct 2011 21:04 #30 by Arlen
You chase rabbits; I chase rabbits. Goose-Gander type of thing.

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