Newt Gingrich vs Mitt Romney Has It Really Come Down to this

29 Nov 2011 09:13 #1 by The Viking
Newt Gingrich vs. Mitt Romney -- Has It Really Come Down to This?

So the Republican race – in a year when President Obama is totally beatable -- has come to this: Newt Gingrich, serial philanderer, liar, hypocrite, secret Rockefeller Republican, back-stabber and megalomaniac versus Mitt Romney, the Supreme Panderer, the man-with-no-principles, an utter phony who will say anything and flip-flop at any time – and someone who was not a Reaganite until he ran for president in 2007.

How can the GOP have sunk so low?


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/ ... z1f6kdU7Pi

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29 Nov 2011 09:23 #2 by The Viking
I wasn't going to post this yet to see if Newt can hold on and I do like him better than Romney but people need the truth about his voting record.

WHAT IS NEWT GINGRICH’S VOTING RECORD ???

Who is Newt:
04/02/1987 – He cosponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
10/22/1991 – He voted for an amendment that would create a National Police Corps.
03/—/1993 – He Voted for sending $1.6 Billion in foreign aid to Russia.
11/19/1993 – He voted for the NAFTA Implementation Act.
11/27/1994 – He supported the GATT Treaty giving sovereignty to the U.N.
08/27/1995 – He suggests that drug smuggling should carry a death sentence.
04/25/1996 – Voted for the single largest increase on Federal education spending ($3.5 Billion)
04/10/1995 – He supported Federal tax dollars being spent on abortions.
06/01/1996 – He helped a Democrat switch parties in an attempt to defeat constitutionalist Ron Paul in the 1996 election.
09/25/1996 – Introduced H.R. 4170, demanded life-sentence or execution for someone bringing 2 ounces of marijuana across the border.
01/22/1997 – Congress gave him a record-setting $300,000 fine for ethical wrongdoing.
11/29/2006 – He said that free speech should be curtailed in order to fight terrorism. Wants to stop terrorists from using the internet. Called for a “serious debate about the 1st Amendment.”
11/29/2006 – He called for a “Geneva Convention for terrorists” so it would be clear who the Constitution need not apply to.
02/15/2007 – He supported Bush’s proposal for mandatory carbon caps.
09/28/2008 – Says if he were in office, he would have reluctantly voted for the $700B TARP bailout.
10/01/2008 – Says in an article that TARP was a “workout, not a bailout.”
12/08/2008 – He was paid $300,000 by Freddie Mac to halt Congress from bringing necessary reform.
03/31/2009 – Says we should have Singapore-style drug tests for Americans.
07/30/2010 – Says that Iraq was just step one in defeating the “Axis of Evil”.
08/03/2010 – Advocates attacks on Iran & North Korea.
08/16/2010 – Opposes property rights of the mosque owner in NYC.
11/15/2010 – He defended Romneycare
12/05/2010 – He said that a website owner should be considered an enemy combatant, hunted down and executed, for publishing leaked government memos.
01/30/2011 – He lobbied for ethanol subsidies.
01/30/2011 – He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
02/13/2011 – He criticized Obama for sending less U.S. tax dollars to Egypt.
02/15/2011 – His book said that he believes man-made climate-change and advocated creating “a new endowment for conservation and the environment.”
03/09/2011 – He blames his infidelity to multiple wives on his passion for the country.
03/15/2011 – Says that NAFTA worked because it created jobs in Mexico.
03/19/2011 – He has no regrets about supporting Medicare drug coverage. (Now $7.2T unfunded liability)
03/23/2011 – He completely flip-flopped on Libyan intervention in 16 days.
03/25/2011 – He plans to sign as many as 200 executive orders on his first day as president.
04/25/2011 – He’s a paid lobbyist for Federal ethanol subsidies.
05/12/2011 – He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than Mitt Romney.
06/09/2011 – His own campaign staff resigned en masse.
07/15/2011 – His poorly managed campaign is over $1 Million in debt.
08/01/2011 – He hired a company to create fake Twitter to appear as if he had a following.
10/07/2011 – He said he’d ignore the Supreme Court if need be, and order and bypass the constitution and congress (as if they wouldn't go along anyway)

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29 Nov 2011 09:24 #3 by The Viking
THIS is what conservatives support now a days. And much of it was in the last year or so, so he can't say he's changed. Now you see why I am so disappointed with the Republican Party and the Tea Party. 3 strong conservatives out there with no baggage. Perry, Bachmann and Santorum but they vote Romney and Newt to the top.

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29 Nov 2011 09:28 #4 by AspenValley
It's been said that the people always get exactly the candidate they deserve.

Two candidates so flawed, so inherently fraudulent and so phony.


With that in mind, maybe it's time for some national soul-searching?

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29 Nov 2011 09:30 #5 by The Viking
And this doesn't include the $1.8 million that just came out that he recieved consulting Freddie Mac, or the $37 million his firm recieved over the last 8 years from Health care companies. Now we know why he supported the healthcare mandate.

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29 Nov 2011 09:33 #6 by FredHayek
But consider this, assemble all the true conservatives in this country and add them up to support your perfect candidate. How many voters would that be? 20%? Not enough to win an election.
A true conservative can't even win a Republican primary much less a national election.

And to partially defend Newt, conservatism changes its platform over time. Reagan passed amnesty, remember?

Bright side? I don't think this election is only between Newt and Romney right now. Remember how Huckabee appeared out of nowhere last time? And lasted longer than Mitt in 2008.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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29 Nov 2011 09:34 #7 by The Viking

AspenValley wrote: It's been said that the people always get exactly the candidate they deserve.

Two candidates so flawed, so inherently fraudulent and so phony.


With that in mind, maybe it's time for some national soul-searching?


Other than his poor 3-4 debates coming out of the gate and a brain fart on the word energy, what do people find so wrong with Perry. He has by far the most successful record, the most conservative record by far, and the cleanest past with no baggage. But people threw him out because of the way he talks. Because he doesn't get his point out in 30 second sound bytes. And many who now support Newt left Perry over in-state tuition which he has explained. And yet Newt has the exact same views and even further left when it comes to citizenship. And FOX said the other day that Perry is the ONLY candidate who has really put forth a detailed energy policy to change this country. The Republicans make no sense this year.

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29 Nov 2011 09:36 #8 by The Viking

FredHayek wrote: But consider this, assemble all the true conservatives in this country and add them up to support your perfect candidate. How many voters would that be? 20%? Not enough to win an election.
A true conservative can't even win a Republican primary much less a national election.

And to partially defend Newt, conservatism changes its platform over time. Reagan passed amnesty, remember?

Bright side? I don't think this election is only between Newt and Romney right now. Remember how Huckabee appeared out of nowhere last time? And lasted longer than Mitt in 2008.


But if you look at that list I posted, many of Newt's more liberal views and statements were in the last year or two so his platform isn't changing. Again, I love Newts intelligence and many of his policies but we are so settling again just like in 2008. The media and polls are dictating voters again. They say who can and can't win and people jump on the bandwagon.

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29 Nov 2011 09:38 #9 by The Viking
If it comes down to Newt and Romney I will vote for Newt all the way.

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29 Nov 2011 09:41 #10 by AspenValley

The Viking wrote: we are so settling again just like in 2008.


Cheer up, Viking.

They're certain to dredge up some uber-Conservative sop to the Tea Party as a Vice Prez pick.

:wink:

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