Chris Christie responding to the "super committee"

29 Nov 2011 12:49 #1 by RenegadeCJ
Why we need Chris Christie, and not Perry, Gingrich, Romney, and especially not Obama. We need someone with the guts to actually address the problems, AND be able to present his opinions in a frank manner.


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Too bad future generations aren't here to see all the great things we are spending their $$ on!!

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29 Nov 2011 12:59 #2 by LadyJazzer
Too funny... The GOP/Grover Norquist ideologues obstruct and refuse to negotiate, and then blame Obama for their bad behavior...

Jus' keep doin' what yer doin'... :lol:

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29 Nov 2011 13:11 #3 by outdoor338
LJ, keep believing everything is good in obamaland, you're in for a big surprise next year! :Whistle

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29 Nov 2011 13:24 #4 by Vomitus
No 338 LJ is right. SFB Obama will win. Forget about his being a socialist and a blatant liar and someone that has never stopped campaigning or apologizing. When 48% of the American public gets money from the governemnt they will do nothing to stop the gravy train. One day when LJ is confronted by a real sense of reality and she does not think with her ... she will wake up and find those denizons of democracy; people like the OWS folks, will not care what she wrote. They will just take all that she has. That would a true sense of Democracy (LJ's kind) in action.

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29 Nov 2011 13:34 #5 by LadyJazzer
You wouldn't know what a "socialist" is if it bit you in the a__... But, it's fun to use it in a sentence, isn't it....

And if I want to see blatant lying, I need go no further than Romney, Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich, ad nauseum.

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29 Nov 2011 13:41 #6 by Vomitus
Definition:
Socialism /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy; or a political philosophy advocating such a system.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, autonomous public ownership or state ownership.[2] As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.[3][4]

Socialist economies are based upon production for use and the direct allocation of economic inputs to satisfy economic demands and human needs (use value); accounting is based on physical quantities of resources, some physical magnitude, or a direct measure of labour-time.[5][6] Goods and services for consumption are distributed through markets, and distribution of income is based on the principle of individual merit/individual contribution.[7]

As a political movement, socialism includes a diverse array of political philosophies, ranging from reformism to revolutionary socialism. Proponents of state socialism advocate for the nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange as a strategy for implementing socialism; while social democrats advocate public control of capital within the framework of a market economy. Libertarian socialists and anarchists reject using the state to build socialism, arguing that socialism will, and must, either arise spontaneously or be built from the bottom up utilizing the strategy of dual power. They promote direct worker-ownership of the means of production alternatively through independent syndicates, workplace democracies, or worker cooperatives.

Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private property on society. Utopian socialists such as Robert Owen (1771–1858), tried to found self-sustaining communes by secession from a capitalist society. Henri de Saint Simon (1760–1825), who coined the term socialisme, advocated technocracy and industrial planning.[8] Saint-Simon, Friedrich Engels and Karl Marx advocated the creation of a society that allows for the widespread application of modern technology to rationalise economic activity by eliminating the anarchy of capitalist production that results in instability and cyclical crises of overproduction.[9][10]

Socialists inspired by the Soviet model of economic development, such as Marxist-Leninists, have advocated the creation of centrally planned economies directed by a single-party state that owns the means of production. Others, including Yugoslavian, Hungarian, East German and Chinese communist governments in the 1970s and 1980s, instituted various forms of market socialism,[citation needed] combining co-operative and state ownership models with the free market exchange and free price system (but not free prices for the means of production).[11]

You are one of those idiots that believes that government is the end all and panacea for any problems that might arise. I believe that government is best when it stays out of business and 'provides for the common defense'. TheStates as enumerated in the 9th and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution (not the Communist Manifesto). Hence SFB Obama believes that goverment si the solution (i.e. socialism) and not the people. As for lying they all do, but SFB Obama seems good at it because the media covers his ass.

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29 Nov 2011 13:48 - 29 Nov 2011 14:00 #7 by LadyJazzer
Since none of that definition applies, thank you for nothing. Another adherent to the simpleton "Sovereign Citizen" drivel?

No, I'm one of those who believes that "provide for the general welfare" means that we honor the social contract to help our fellow citizens, and that those who have paid into the system deserve to have their investment returned--and not by screwing them to provide tax-breaks to the 1% who have gorged themselves for the last 30 years at the expense of the middle class.

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29 Nov 2011 13:58 #8 by Vomitus
State supported industries and state control of the conomy is what I call socialism. We have gone beyond creeping, we are now in a trot to becoming that. Of-course you would not recognize it without it being plastered on your butt and when those OWS crowd will demand your assets to make them as equal to you. But then no one is equal to the supremists and apologists like you.

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29 Nov 2011 14:00 #9 by Vomitus
I have to leave now, I still work for a living and the government does not tell me what to do. (Oh BTW I sent you the definition because I do know what the theoretical definition is. Theory and realty and never quite the same. Ask the Conrades is the USSR and China andEast Germany and Cuba.)

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29 Nov 2011 14:03 #10 by LadyJazzer
Theoretical definitions and U.S. reality are not the same...but thanks for playing...

I work for a living too, and fortunately, I work in a management position where I have the freedom (sometimes) to play with the teabaggers while still drawing my pay.

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