E-Mails Show Fast and Furious was Vehicle for Gun Control

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation “Fast and Furious” to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the “big fish.” But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called “gunwalking,” and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

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outdoor338 wrote: Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation “Fast and Furious” to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the “big fish.” But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called “gunwalking,” and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

http://conservativebyte.com/2011/12/e-m ... n-control/

Then those at the ATF need to be held responsible for this.

This whole fiasco is just a gift that keeps on giving...some new twist every week to make the DOJ and ATF look like fools.

cydl wrote: This whole fiasco is just a gift that keeps on giving...some new twist every week to make the DOJ and ATF look like fools.

No... it makes the AFT look like fools. The DOJ had nothing to do with it.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

cydl wrote: This whole fiasco is just a gift that keeps on giving...some new twist every week to make the DOJ and ATF look like fools.

No... it makes the AFT look like fools. The DOJ had nothing to do with it.

From David Codrea, who broke the story:

There are five key accusations against ATF and DOJ made by ATF whistleblowers and other sources within FedGov:
1. That they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners.
2. That they allowed or even assisted in those guns crossing the U.S. border into Mexico to "boost the numbers" of American civilian market firearms seized in Mexico and thereby provide the justification for more firearm restrictions on American citizens and more power and money for ATF.
3. That they intentionally kept Mexican authorities in the dark about the operation, even over objections of their own agents.
4. That weapons that the ATF let "walk" to Mexico were involved in the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE agent Jaime Zapata, as well as at least hundreds of Mexican citizens.
5. That at least since the death of Brian Terry on 14 December, the Obama administration is engaged in a full-press cover-up of the facts behind what has come to be known as the "Gunwalker Scandal."


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cydl wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

cydl wrote: This whole fiasco is just a gift that keeps on giving...some new twist every week to make the DOJ and ATF look like fools.

No... it makes the AFT look like fools. The DOJ had nothing to do with it.

From David Codrea, who broke the story:

There are five key accusations against ATF and DOJ made by ATF whistleblowers and other sources within FedGov:
1. That they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners.
2. That they allowed or even assisted in those guns crossing the U.S. border into Mexico to "boost the numbers" of American civilian market firearms seized in Mexico and thereby provide the justification for more firearm restrictions on American citizens and more power and money for ATF.
3. That they intentionally kept Mexican authorities in the dark about the operation, even over objections of their own agents.
4. That weapons that the ATF let "walk" to Mexico were involved in the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE agent Jaime Zapata, as well as at least hundreds of Mexican citizens.
5. That at least since the death of Brian Terry on 14 December, the Obama administration is engaged in a full-press cover-up of the facts behind what has come to be known as the "Gunwalker Scandal."


http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-n ... llegations

Wrong. There are five key accusations against ATF... there is not a ounce of proof that the DOJ knew about this or had any control over what was happening.

"According to the Arms Export Control Act, only the State Department can authorize the export of weapons. Every weapon that the multi-agency strike force made up mostly of Department of Justice and Homeland Security personnel sent over the Mexican border should equal a felony, for at least 2,020 felonies in Operation Fast and Furious alone.

Eric Holder’s December 8 agreement to appear in front of Congress under oath just got a lot more interesting. Maybe after his trial Holder, can share a cell with Jerome Pendzich until we get him and Napolitano extradited to Mexico for the 200 plus counts of their being accessorys to murder."

--http://www.bob-owens.com/2011/10/clinton-confirms-doj-dhs-committed-felonies-in-operation-fast-and-furious/

cydl wrote: "According to the Arms Export Control Act, only the State Department can authorize the export of weapons. Every weapon that the multi-agency strike force made up mostly of Department of Justice and Homeland Security personnel sent over the Mexican border should equal a felony, for at least 2,020 felonies in Operation Fast and Furious alone.

Eric Holder’s December 8 agreement to appear in front of Congress under oath just got a lot more interesting. Maybe after his trial Holder, can share a cell with Jerome Pendzich until we get him and Napolitano extradited to Mexico for the 200 plus counts of their being accessorys to murder."

--http://www.bob-owens.com/2011/10/clinton-confirms-doj-dhs-committed-felonies-in-operation-fast-and-furious/

I will ask you again. Where is the proof that this went up as far as Holder? Holder has met with the committee investigating this a number of times now, and the committee has yet to produce a single piece of evidence that Holder was in the loop. They've questioned and indicate that he should have been, and I suspect that's true, but no one on the committee has proven that. Where is your proof? You evidently have something the committee doesn't have?

Based on memo and email DOJ was in up to its eyeballs. So it seems to me Holder is either lying on incompetent.

cydl wrote: Based on memo and email DOJ was in up to its eyeballs. So it seems to me Holder is either lying on incompetent.

Which memos. Which emails? Now you are moderating your stance by adding the possibility that he is incompetent. Earlier you unequivocally claimed he was guilty. Please clarify and link (or clip and paste) showing that Holder was up to his eyeballs in this?