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bailey bud wrote: I disagree --- vehemently.

Does anyone here remember the movie Patriot Games ?

Remember when Jack Ryan is invited into the room to watch an attack over satellite link?

To this day, I'm deeply disturbed by the cavalier remark, "That's a kill......."

I think we owe our adversaries a degree of dignity and respect. Most battles are over principles.

Yes - I hope my principles prevail. But one of my principles is that someone gave their life to determine what principles prevail - and we better damn well respect that......

Virtual warfare cheapens life - it cheapens us ---- every bit as much as it cheapens our attitude toward those we disagree - and even battle with.

I think it's morally indefensible.

No I don't remember Jack Ryan. I deal with reality, not pulp novels. Yep... someone gave their life to determine what principles prevail... and any tactician will tell you about the principle of killing more of them then they do of you. Simple.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Wily Fox aka Angela wrote: I disagree. Today, Americans watch war from a distance on youtube and TV. Only a handful of Americans serve and know the horrors of war. American citizens need to understand the horror before agreeing to send our soldiers into battle. It must be real to everyone, not virtual

All it needs to be is killing more of them than us. I don't care how you slice it, dice it, or what weapon you use to accomplish it... as long as there's dead enemy's in it's wake. That's it, there is no more to it. This is not philosophy... it's about killing... simplest thing in the world to do.

I do agree with some of your statement about killing, but for us in the military and Veterans do not think for one minute that for us killing is the simplest thing in the world. Why you think there are so many suicides in the military, or severe PTSD. We do the job we are given, to it to the best we can then we have to justify to ourselves that it was just and right. For the few yes no problem for the majority different story.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: [No I don't remember Jack Ryan. I deal with reality, not pulp novels. Yep... someone gave their life to determine what principles prevail... and any tactician will tell you about the principle of killing more of them then they do of you. Simple.

I think that is oversimplification by at least a factor of a thousand. War is about breaking the will of the enemy. Body counts are not the only or even necessarily the best way to accomplish that.

You can interdict food, energy, water supplies, etc.

That's also what psyops and COIN ops are all about.

Lionshead, if you read this, I would appreciate your take.

Whatever war is about, "principles" isn't it.

AspenValley wrote: Whatever war is about, "principles" isn't it.

My point exactly.

If war is no longer ugly, if we no longer have to pay a price, we will eventually accept the killing of humans as if they were just cattle for our consumption. We will be pretty close to the end by then.

LLIB wrote: If war is no longer ugly, if we no longer have to pay a price, we will eventually accept the killing of humans as if they were just cattle for our consumption. We will be pretty close to the end by then.

I think we're pretty close to the end.

LLIB wrote: If war is no longer ugly, if we no longer have to pay a price, we will eventually accept the killing of humans as if they were just cattle for our consumption. We will be pretty close to the end by then.

Well said.