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Soulshiner wrote: This one seems about what I imagine...

Nmysys? rofllol

Right, not close enough to Christmas... How about this one?

Gotta love the hair on this mug shot and potential avatar. We'll see the court decision, though the former Democrat vice president candidate and one of the Dem's favorites for president in 2008 is still a slimey bastard fake IMO....



But Otis, I looked at your link for your current Avatar. I'm not impressed. I know times were differnt back then, but really?

He stood over 6 ft (1.83 m) tall and was known for his hunting prowess and his brutality toward bears and Indians. Kinman claimed to have shot a total of over 800 grizzly bears, and, in a single month, over 50 elk.

You can't really be sure what this guy says...

His autobiography, dictated to a scribe in 1876, was first published in 2010 and is noted for putting "the entertainment value of a story ahead of the strict facts." His descriptions of events change with his retelling of them. Contemporary journalists and modern writers were clearly aware of the stories contained in the autobiography, "but each chooses which version to accept.

Kinman made his name first as a hunter, especially as a hunter of grizzly bears. California was noted for its large population of grizzlies. Seth's son Carlin claimed that they once saw 40 grizzlies at one time. But by 1868, the last grizzly in Humboldt County had been killed.

Great guy too!

Kinman's brutality was noted by James R. Duff, a fellow '49er, who described him as "an avowed enemy of the red man, ... (who) shot an Indian on sight."[32] Carranco states that "Seth always took an Indian along on a hunt - partly to carry the game, but primarily to serve as bear bait," and concludes "sometimes he regarded them (Indians) as human beings ... other times, only as predatory animals to shoot at."

Not the brightest bulb either...

In his later years, Kinman lived in Table Bluff, California with his family, where he owned a hotel and bar. In 1886, Kinman was preparing to send chairs to President Grover Cleveland and former presidential candidate General Winfield Scott Hancock.[63] He died in 1888 after accidentally shooting himself in the leg.

Hey, it was your link!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Kinman

I really didn't mean to send you out on a homework assignment but thanks for the research and your opinion. If I was teaching American History at the 4th grade level you would get a C-, but I would tend to be a bit harsh on my students. What was fully accepted back in Seth Kinman's day is not what is socially acceptable today, those comparisons don't hold water. In today's world the lowest level of acceptable decorum has increased to the point that no one can have an opinion, take a stance, or oppose anyone else without violating the social minimums of the expected levels of decorum.

I guess you never really looked in to how mountain men actually lived, they were not a part of the mainstream fabric of society of their day. A few colorful tales were told and the tales got more colorful over time with every re-telling. Then factor in the press at that time, they were not exactly focused on truth back then they just wanted to sell papers, come to think of it that hasn't changed too much either except newspapers are dying and now it's about news in the information age.

History is full of politically incorrect figures, especially when you them judge by today's most liberal standards. I'll back anyone who could stand their ground back in Seth Kinman's day over many of the "leaders" we have today, at least those men knew what the stood for and they rarely strayed from their opinions and positions.

At the end of the day, you are fully entitled to your opinion and so am I. Do I really give a flying cow pat if you approve or not? NO!

Too direct?

otisptoadwater wrote: I really didn't mean to send you out on a homework assignment but thanks for the research and your opinion. If I was teaching American History at the 4th grade level you would get a C-, but I would tend to be a bit harsh on my students. What was fully accepted back in Seth Kinman's day is not what is socially acceptable today, those comparisons don't hold water. In today's world the lowest level of acceptable decorum has increased to the point that no one can have an opinion, take a stance, or oppose anyone else without violating the social minimums of the expected levels of decorum.

I guess you never really looked in to how mountain men actually lived, they were not a part of the mainstream fabric of society of their day. A few colorful tales were told and the tales got more colorful over time with every re-telling. Then factor in the press at that time, they were not exactly focused on truth back then they just wanted to sell papers, come to think of it that hasn't changed too much either except newspapers are dying and now it's about news in the information age.

History is full of politically incorrect figures, especially when you them judge by today's most liberal standards. I'll back anyone who could stand their ground back in Seth Kinman's day over many of the "leaders" we have today, at least those men knew what the stood for and they rarely strayed from their opinions and positions.

At the end of the day, you are fully entitled to your opinion and so am I. Do I really give a flying cow pat if you approve or not? NO!

Like I said in my post, times were different back then and you provided THE link.

I read your link and reported on it. For this board, I at least deserve an A for at least reading a link provided (by you, which apparently now you don't find adequate). It's not like I'm supposed to read 500 pages of other stuff you never offered.

Enjoy your flying cow pat.

Maybe this one?