Issa acknowledges that Holder did not know about F&F

Issa acknowledged today that there is no evidence, nor does have any suspicion that Holder was aware of Fast & Furious.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... fpnewsfeed

Fortune had an interesting article explaining how Fast & Furious was not intentional gun walking, but was the decision by the local US prosecutor, who was active in the gun rights community, refused to prosecute the cases involving those guns. Of course if Issa had actually investigated the operation instead of pursuing headlines going after Holder, he would have known that.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... op+Stories )

Early 2010 - Washington-based Justice Department officials had earlier discussed bringing Attorney General Eric Holder to Phoenix for a triumphant press conference with Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke to herald the conclusion of the Department’s flagship firearms trafficking case.

Dec. 14, 2010 - Agent Terry is killed - In the aftermath of Agent Terry’s death, the task of announcing indictments at a press conference fell to ATF Phoenix Division Special Agent in Charge William Newell and Burke. Holder did not attend.

July 10, 2010 - Memo sent to Mr. Holder through the office of the acting deputy attorney general, also notes that the operation involved a Phoenix-based firearms-trafficking ring and says "straw purchasers" were responsible for buying 1,500 firearms "that were then supplied to Mexican drug-trafficking cartels."

February 4, 2011 - (Holder sent a) letter to Congress denying that guns had been allowed to “walk” into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

March 22, 2011 - (Obama interview on Spanish-language television) "There have been problems, you know. I heard on the news about this story that — Fast and Furious, where allegedly guns were being run into Mexico, and ATF knew about it, but didn’t apprehend those who had sent it. Eric Holder has — the attorney general has been very clear that he knew nothing about this."

May 3, 2011 - Holder claimed that he’d only heard about Fast and Furious “for the first time probably over the last few weeks.”

“We are now about to find in contempt the attorney general of the United States of America after you just heard that,” Cummings said.

“Sure,” replied Issa. “It’s not for what the attorney general knew about Fast and Furious, it’s about the attorney general’s refusal to provide the documents.”

That cleared that up.

I saw that... I think this is the same article...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Amazing how the whole narrative, as invented by the campaign strategists, apparently falls apart...

Can anyone point me to a major network or major news source that is reporting this Muckraker article? I'm wondering why the follow paragraph has the quotes stopping before the end of Issa's statement...

“During the inception and the participation through the death of Brian Terry, we have no evidence nor do we currently have strong suspicion” that Holder knew of the tactics, Issa said during testimony before the House Rules Committee on Wednesday. [/b][/i]

I'm curious as to the actual text of Issa's statement after the "have strong suspicion" part of the quote. Can anyone help?

Democracy4Sale wrote: I saw that... I think this is the same article...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Amazing how the whole narrative, as invented by the campaign strategists, apparently falls apart...

How did Fortune come across 2000 confidential documents?

Democracy4Sale wrote: I saw that... I think this is the same article...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Amazing how the whole narrative, as invented by the campaign strategists, apparently falls apart...

Fortune Magazine Tries to Tell The "Truth" About Fast and Furious, Fails Miserably.

Fact: During Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers repeatedly emailed Voth, asking whether guns they were selling under orders from ATF, were ending up in the wrong hands. Voth assured them they were not. More than two thousands guns trafficked into Mexico and hundreds of dead victims later, that turned out to be a lie. Gun dealers repeatedly raised concerns about ATF telling them to allow straw purchasers using false ID and loads of cash to buy weapons. In 2010, a gun dealer email Voth because a straw purchaser had placed a large order and the dealer wanted to know if he should order more stock. Once again, so he could comply with ATF's order to sell. Voth told him, go right ahead. Order the guns, sell to the bad guys.
...
The guns sold during Fast and Furious didn't "eventually fall into criminal hands," they were put there intentionally as soon as ATF approved the sale of those guns to guys they knew were straw purchasers before they even walked through the door of the gun dealerships. Not to mention, weapons were never seized until they were found at violent crime scenes; 1400 remain missing.
...
Also, Fortune quotes an IRS agent, but why was the IRS involved in Operation Fast and Furious? Because the IRS in partnership with ATF were giving gun dealers participating in the program advice about how to do their taxes with such a large inflow of cash.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... _miserably

This Fortune article is a hit piece, full of misstatements and lies and was designed to deflect from the facts and the contempt cote tomorrow. Weak sauce.

The Blunt Ugly Truth wrote:

Democracy4Sale wrote: I saw that... I think this is the same article...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Amazing how the whole narrative, as invented by the campaign strategists, apparently falls apart...

Fortune Magazine Tries to Tell The "Truth" About Fast and Furious, Fails Miserably.

Fact: During Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers repeatedly emailed Voth, asking whether guns they were selling under orders from ATF, were ending up in the wrong hands. Voth assured them they were not. More than two thousands guns trafficked into Mexico and hundreds of dead victims later, that turned out to be a lie. Gun dealers repeatedly raised concerns about ATF telling them to allow straw purchasers using false ID and loads of cash to buy weapons. In 2010, a gun dealer email Voth because a straw purchaser had placed a large order and the dealer wanted to know if he should order more stock. Once again, so he could comply with ATF's order to sell. Voth told him, go right ahead. Order the guns, sell to the bad guys.
...
The guns sold during Fast and Furious didn't "eventually fall into criminal hands," they were put there intentionally as soon as ATF approved the sale of those guns to guys they knew were straw purchasers before they even walked through the door of the gun dealerships. Not to mention, weapons were never seized until they were found at violent crime scenes; 1400 remain missing.
...
Also, Fortune quotes an IRS agent, but why was the IRS involved in Operation Fast and Furious? Because the IRS in partnership with ATF were giving gun dealers participating in the program advice about how to do their taxes with such a large inflow of cash.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... _miserably

This Fortune article is a hit piece, full of misstatements and lies and was designed to deflect from the facts and the contempt cote tomorrow. Weak sauce.

And you based these facts on a right wing blog that cites unsubstantiated emails and other "sources"?

The Blunt Ugly Truth wrote:

Democracy4Sale wrote: I saw that... I think this is the same article...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Amazing how the whole narrative, as invented by the campaign strategists, apparently falls apart...

Fortune Magazine Tries to Tell The "Truth" About Fast and Furious, Fails Miserably.

Fact: During Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers repeatedly emailed Voth, asking whether guns they were selling under orders from ATF, were ending up in the wrong hands. Voth assured them they were not. More than two thousands guns trafficked into Mexico and hundreds of dead victims later, that turned out to be a lie. Gun dealers repeatedly raised concerns about ATF telling them to allow straw purchasers using false ID and loads of cash to buy weapons. In 2010, a gun dealer email Voth because a straw purchaser had placed a large order and the dealer wanted to know if he should order more stock. Once again, so he could comply with ATF's order to sell. Voth told him, go right ahead. Order the guns, sell to the bad guys.
...
The guns sold during Fast and Furious didn't "eventually fall into criminal hands," they were put there intentionally as soon as ATF approved the sale of those guns to guys they knew were straw purchasers before they even walked through the door of the gun dealerships. Not to mention, weapons were never seized until they were found at violent crime scenes; 1400 remain missing.
...
Also, Fortune quotes an IRS agent, but why was the IRS involved in Operation Fast and Furious? Because the IRS in partnership with ATF were giving gun dealers participating in the program advice about how to do their taxes with such a large inflow of cash.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... _miserably

This Fortune article is a hit piece, full of misstatements and lies and was designed to deflect from the facts and the contempt cote tomorrow. Weak sauce.

And there is the testimony by the agent in charge which absolutely jibes with the article in Fortune.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... ory_1.html

Of course this is not a right wing blog quoting anonymous sources, but I believe it is quite credible.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

The Blunt Ugly Truth wrote:

Democracy4Sale wrote: I saw that... I think this is the same article...

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

Amazing how the whole narrative, as invented by the campaign strategists, apparently falls apart...

Fortune Magazine Tries to Tell The "Truth" About Fast and Furious, Fails Miserably.

Fact: During Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers repeatedly emailed Voth, asking whether guns they were selling under orders from ATF, were ending up in the wrong hands. Voth assured them they were not. More than two thousands guns trafficked into Mexico and hundreds of dead victims later, that turned out to be a lie. Gun dealers repeatedly raised concerns about ATF telling them to allow straw purchasers using false ID and loads of cash to buy weapons. In 2010, a gun dealer email Voth because a straw purchaser had placed a large order and the dealer wanted to know if he should order more stock. Once again, so he could comply with ATF's order to sell. Voth told him, go right ahead. Order the guns, sell to the bad guys.
...
The guns sold during Fast and Furious didn't "eventually fall into criminal hands," they were put there intentionally as soon as ATF approved the sale of those guns to guys they knew were straw purchasers before they even walked through the door of the gun dealerships. Not to mention, weapons were never seized until they were found at violent crime scenes; 1400 remain missing.
...
Also, Fortune quotes an IRS agent, but why was the IRS involved in Operation Fast and Furious? Because the IRS in partnership with ATF were giving gun dealers participating in the program advice about how to do their taxes with such a large inflow of cash.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... _miserably

This Fortune article is a hit piece, full of misstatements and lies and was designed to deflect from the facts and the contempt cote tomorrow. Weak sauce.

And you based these facts on a right wing blog that cites unsubstantiated emails and other "sources"?

You base you facts on a left wing magazine owned by CNN?

The Blunt Ugly Truth wrote: Can anyone point me to a major network or major news source that is reporting this Muckraker article? I'm wondering why the follow paragraph has the quotes stopping before the end of Issa's statement...

“During the inception and the participation through the death of Brian Terry, we have no evidence nor do we currently have strong suspicion” that Holder knew of the tactics, Issa said during testimony before the House Rules Committee on Wednesday. [/b][/i]

I'm curious as to the actual text of Issa's statement after the "have strong suspicion" part of the quote. Can anyone help?

And you haven't shown me a source for the statement above with Issa's statement completed beyond the quote mark... can you show me the totality of what Issa said and not a chopped off quote?