Obamacare the bigest tax increase in history

13 Jul 2012 12:44 #31 by LOL
Wouldn't it just be simpler to say 4.6% * 125,000 = $5750 ? Your calculations are strange, but whatever.

I did like the new word caterwauling though. :lol:

1. To cry or screech like a cat in heat.
2. To make a shrill, discordant sound.
3. To have a noisy argument.

n.
A shrill, discordant sound.

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13 Jul 2012 12:57 #32 by LadyJazzer
It would have been, but since it seems to be a proven fact that some here have trouble following math (and facts), I thought it better to take it step-by-step so we didn't lose anybody.

And thanks for the usual, expected, ubiquitous deflection and non-response to the FACT that the tax increase for someone at the $375,000 level is a whopping $5,750...

Sux to be some of you, doesn't it...

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13 Jul 2012 14:52 #33 by LOL

Democracy4Sale wrote: The rate for the highest bracket after the Bush tax cuts was 36%.

39.6% - 36% = 3.9% ... Please try to keep up...


Nope. it is 35% not 36%

39.6 - 36 = 3.6% (Please check your calculator batteries)

So you should have wrote 39.6- 35 = 4.6% for the new highest bracket change.

(Your welcome for the corrections- no charge)

Folks, this concludes the Lady Jazzer advanced Math and Tax calculations course. Is everyone clear on this now? Bottom line is you can now go demand $5K from your neighbor who makes 300K and tell him he is a greedy bastard SOB. He may call the police though. :lol:

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13 Jul 2012 14:57 #34 by LadyJazzer
No, THIS concludes my course on tax and math calculations:

Nope... If you make $375,000 now (at 35%), and the new rate goes into effect, how much more would you owe... assuming the same AGI?

Before: $375,000 * 35% = $131,250

After:
You pay the SAME RATE up to the $250,00 break... So, $250,000 * 35% = $87,500
$375,000 - $250,000 = $125,000 difference.... You would pay 39.6% on ONLY that part that is over $250,000 = $49,500
$87,500 + $49,500 = $137,000

Difference: $137,000 - $131,250 = $5,750 ...

These are NOT "effective rate"...(think: Mitt Romney's "effective rate" is about 14.9%) So, obviously, if you're in that tax-bracket you can afford to have someone that can reduce your effective rate, and that $5,750 difference could be made to disappear... (think: offshore accounts in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Switzerland....)

But WOW... You mean asking a "job creator" to pay $5,750 more in taxes will hurt job-creation? How many jobs could you create with $5,750?

Spare me your caterwauling about how much the expiration of the top Bush tax-cuts is going to cost...

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Are you clear now? :lol:

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13 Jul 2012 15:40 #35 by pineinthegrass

Democracy4Sale wrote: No, THIS concludes my course on tax and math calculations:

Nope... If you make $375,000 now (at 35%), and the new rate goes into effect, how much more would you owe... assuming the same AGI?

Before: $375,000 * 35% = $131,250

After:
You pay the SAME RATE up to the $250,00 break... So, $250,000 * 35% = $87,500
$375,000 - $250,000 = $125,000 difference.... You would pay 39.6% on ONLY that part that is over $250,000 = $49,500
$87,500 + $49,500 = $137,000

Difference: $137,000 - $131,250 = $5,750 ...

These are NOT "effective rate"...(think: Mitt Romney's "effective rate" is about 14.9%) So, obviously, if you're in that tax-bracket you can afford to have someone that can reduce your effective rate, and that $5,750 difference could be made to disappear... (think: offshore accounts in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Switzerland....)

But WOW... You mean asking a "job creator" to pay $5,750 more in taxes will hurt job-creation? How many jobs could you create with $5,750?

Spare me your caterwauling about how much the expiration of the top Bush tax-cuts is going to cost...

(Where is that icon for the "World's smallest violin playing 'Hearts and Flowers'"...?)

Are you clear now? :lol:


The only thing you are proving is that you don't have a clue how to calculate income tax.

First of all, you don't calculate the tax by multiplying $375K x 35%. Apparently you don't understand how tax brackets work. You don't pay 35% on the full amount. Using the 2012 estimated rates from Forbes, for a single person making $375K the first $8,700 is taxed at 10%, the next $8,700-$35,350 at 15%, the next $35,350-$85,650 at 25%, the next $85,650-$178,650 at 28%, and the next $178,650-$388,350 at 33%. That would result in a tax of thousands less than your calculation.

You didn't even get the 35% right because a person making $375K isn't even yet in the 35% tax bracket which starts above $388,350. Plus you forgot to include the personal exemption and the standard deduction, both of which would reduce the tax owed even more.

I just wish I did your income taxes. You could pay me using your method, and I could pocket the rest. :wink:

Needless to say, all the rest of your calculations are wrong as well for similar reasons.

In addition, you didn't include the ACA's tax increases. Add an extra 3.8% to any investment income, plus your Medicare payroll tax goes up .9%.

I suggest you do more studying before trying to calculate income taxes anytime in the future...

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13 Jul 2012 17:32 #36 by LadyJazzer
Wow, so that means the "tax increase" (read: expiration of the tax cut) will be even less than the $5,750 than I calculated. Thanks for clearing that up.

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13 Jul 2012 18:08 #37 by LOL
:lol: keep digging LJ

Maybe you should stick to copy/pasting HuffyPost articles. You have that down pretty good. Math and taxes, not so good. :lol:

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13 Jul 2012 18:29 #38 by LadyJazzer
"Obamacare the biggest tax increase in history"

No, it isn't...

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13 Jul 2012 18:34 #39 by ScienceChic
I hate taxes, loopholes, and trying to figure all that stuff out. I really like when I see people doing the math on here - that kind of information helps me understand more. No promises that I'll like it though! :biggrin:

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13 Jul 2012 22:28 #40 by pineinthegrass

Democracy4Sale wrote: "Obamacare the biggest tax increase in history"

No, it isn't...


OK, the final word from our resident "tax expert". :lol:

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