Poll: 83 percent support welfare work requirement

Post some facts and I'll get back to you, otherwise face the facts that were posted. Frankly I'm a little alarmed that you are concerning yourself with this bit of trivia considering the events of the day. I guess it's evidence that you are more concerned about Obama and Welfare than the 12 people that were killed and the 59 people that were injured in Aurora today.

Nice try at deflection. My thoughts are with those that were injured and killed last night. However, I have noticed that you have continued to post here as well, so don't use their tragedy to deflect. I posted facts on what the OP was supposedly about and how it was totally false.

Good for you! Your "facts" are shite and not facts at all.

Wow..Who the hell cares? We spend a pikes peak sized pile of cash on defese and security there, and small hill of money on our elderely. sick and poor there and you are actually concerened about making the small pile smaller- the only money that actually comes back to us? Boy they got you retards fooled don't they..Big problem

LOl..Its called perspective people, look into it

So Toad, that is what passes for intelligent debate with you. And you wonder why I consider conservatives "intellectually challenged" to be polite (I'm trying SC). The HHS memo is designed to allow states that have solid innovative plans to get more individuals off welfare and onto work rolls to do so. The states have to show that they will move an additional 20 percent more off welfare and substantive progress must occur within a year to do so. Why is that not a worthy goal? Why force a one size fits all policy? What may work in New York may not work as well in Colorado. Why not let those states who want to innovate to move more off welfare and into the workplace? What is wrong with that.

Here is the actual memo:
Therefore, HHS is issuing this information memorandum to notify states of the Secretary’s willingness to exercise her waiver authority under section 1115 of the Social Security Act to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies, and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families.

States led the way on welfare reform in the 1990s — testing new approaches and learning what worked and what did not. The Secretary is interested in using her authority to approve waiver demonstrations to challenge states to engage in a new round of innovation that seeks to find more effective mechanisms for helping families succeed in employment. In providing for these demonstrations, HHS will hold states accountable by requiring both a federally-approved evaluation and interim performance targets that ensure an immediate focus on measurable outcomes. States must develop evaluation plans that are sufficient to evaluate the effect of the proposed approach in furthering a TANF purpose as well as interim targets the state commits to achieve. States that fail to meet interim outcome targets will be required to develop an improvement plan and can face termination of the waiver project.
Moreover, HHS is committed to ensuring that any demonstration projects approved under this authority will be focused on improving employment outcomes and contributing to the evidence base for effective programs; therefore, terms and conditions will require a federally-approved evaluation plan designed to build our knowledge base. TANF funds may be used to fund an approved evaluation and state funds spent on an approved evaluation may be considered state maintenance-of-effort (MOE) expenditures. In addition, terms and conditions will require either interim targets for each performance measure or a strategy for establishing baseline performance on a set of performance measures and a framework for how interim goals will be set after the baseline measures are established. The terms and conditions will establish consequences for failing to meet interim performance targets including, but not limited to, the implementation of an improvement plan and, if the failure to meet performance targets continues, termination of the waivers and demonstration project.

Waiver requests must include a set of performance measures that states will track to monitor ongoing performance and outcomes throughout the length of the demonstration project, along with the evaluation. Waiver applications must specify interim targets for each performance measure, including a framework for how often the measures will be reported, or a strategy for establishing baseline performance on a set of performance measures and a framework for how interim goals will be set after the baseline measures are established. Performance measures must be designed to track improvement across the entire set of families targeted as well as appropriate subgroups. In developing the final terms and conditions for an approved waiver, ACF will work with the state to further refine the appropriate performance measures and interim targets as needed. All approved waivers will include a provision that requires timely reporting to HHS on the agreed upon performance measures and progress toward meeting established interim targets. States that fail to meet interim targets will be required to develop improvement plans. Repeated failure to meet performance benchmarks may lead to the termination of the waiver demonstration pilot.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/pol ... 01203.html

FredHayek wrote: Plus I think it makes the people themselves feel better. Do you feel better sitting home all day on the couch watching TV? Or accomplishing a task and learning new skills.

It is more expensive to hire people to do actual work than simply loading debit cards, but I think it is better for society.

I know one woman who lost her job and frankly lost all ambition and will. Stays up until 2AM and then sleeps in. Can't even accomplish simple housework around the house. No motivation at all.

Do you understand that some humans are incapable of getting up and going to work everyday? Those are the people on walfare..The bottom .001% of humanity, people with downs syndrome, morons and imbeciles- Really, do you people know anybody on walfare? I don't and I've ran in some pretty low rent circles in my life.

Its a non issue

Something the Dog Said wrote: So Toad, that is what passes for intelligent debate with you. And you wonder why I consider conservatives "intellectually challenged" to be polite (I'm trying SC). The HHS memo is designed to allow states that have solid innovative plans to get more individuals off welfare and onto work rolls to do so. The states have to show that they will move an additional 20 percent more off welfare and substantive progress must occur within a year to do so. Why is that not a worthy goal? Why force a one size fits all policy? What may work in New York may not work as well in Colorado. Why not let those states who want to innovate to move more off welfare and into the workplace? What is wrong with that.

Here is the actual memo:
Therefore, HHS is issuing this information memorandum to notify states of the Secretary’s willingness to exercise her waiver authority under section 1115 of the Social Security Act to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies, and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families.

States led the way on welfare reform in the 1990s — testing new approaches and learning what worked and what did not. The Secretary is interested in using her authority to approve waiver demonstrations to challenge states to engage in a new round of innovation that seeks to find more effective mechanisms for helping families succeed in employment. In providing for these demonstrations, HHS will hold states accountable by requiring both a federally-approved evaluation and interim performance targets that ensure an immediate focus on measurable outcomes. States must develop evaluation plans that are sufficient to evaluate the effect of the proposed approach in furthering a TANF purpose as well as interim targets the state commits to achieve. States that fail to meet interim outcome targets will be required to develop an improvement plan and can face termination of the waiver project.
Moreover, HHS is committed to ensuring that any demonstration projects approved under this authority will be focused on improving employment outcomes and contributing to the evidence base for effective programs; therefore, terms and conditions will require a federally-approved evaluation plan designed to build our knowledge base. TANF funds may be used to fund an approved evaluation and state funds spent on an approved evaluation may be considered state maintenance-of-effort (MOE) expenditures. In addition, terms and conditions will require either interim targets for each performance measure or a strategy for establishing baseline performance on a set of performance measures and a framework for how interim goals will be set after the baseline measures are established. The terms and conditions will establish consequences for failing to meet interim performance targets including, but not limited to, the implementation of an improvement plan and, if the failure to meet performance targets continues, termination of the waivers and demonstration project.

Waiver requests must include a set of performance measures that states will track to monitor ongoing performance and outcomes throughout the length of the demonstration project, along with the evaluation. Waiver applications must specify interim targets for each performance measure, including a framework for how often the measures will be reported, or a strategy for establishing baseline performance on a set of performance measures and a framework for how interim goals will be set after the baseline measures are established. Performance measures must be designed to track improvement across the entire set of families targeted as well as appropriate subgroups. In developing the final terms and conditions for an approved waiver, ACF will work with the state to further refine the appropriate performance measures and interim targets as needed. All approved waivers will include a provision that requires timely reporting to HHS on the agreed upon performance measures and progress toward meeting established interim targets. States that fail to meet interim targets will be required to develop improvement plans. Repeated failure to meet performance benchmarks may lead to the termination of the waiver demonstration pilot.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/pol ... 01203.html

Hey uh

We just want to argue about this, we don't want to rewrite legistlation here, its 285bound, not a think tank.............Jeeeez

Your taking this well informed citizen sh!t a little to far my friend

I'm still waiting for the facts. Try again otherwise ALPHA MIKE FOXTROT.

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FredHayek wrote: Plus I think it makes the people themselves feel better. Do you feel better sitting home all day on the couch watching TV? Or accomplishing a task and learning new skills.

It is more expensive to hire people to do actual work than simply loading debit cards, but I think it is better for society.

I know one woman who lost her job and frankly lost all ambition and will. Stays up until 2AM and then sleeps in. Can't even accomplish simple housework around the house. No motivation at all.

Do you understand that some humans are incapable of getting up and going to work everyday? Those are the people on walfare..The bottom .001% of humanity, people with downs syndrome, morons and imbeciles- Really, do you people know anybody on walfare? I don't and I've ran in some pretty low rent circles in my life.

Its a non issue

Every parent sending their kid to public school is on welfare....public funding to support their lifestyle because they could not support it themselves. Most of us know people of welfare, many of us were on it. If we had the means we would not have collected the welfare and we would have bought our kids high quality eduction where you can pick the products, teachers, goals, morals etc.

.001%....try something like 90%. I do agree that we need to take care of the .001%...but the 90% and all their hands held out are getting in the way, it makes it hard to see the really sick and need people when everyone claims to be in the group.

Yeah 90% of Americans are on Walfare..

Note to self: On that note is an imbecile

I got news for ya tough guy..Educating our people is what made this country great, its an investment, not a cost you short sighted POS- And using your logic every company that uses our roads, rails, and ports to distribute thier product is on corporate walfare.

Ya know-You crackers need to go out in the world and see what it looks like when government doesnt invest in roads, sewers, education and water treatment facilities. You're clueless losers that have never been anywhere, never seen anything and don't know anything about the world other than what FOX news tells you about it.

Just my opinion for whatever its worth