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07 Aug 2012 12:23 #11
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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We're in a transition phase. In those areas where coal plants are more prevalent, no there won't be any short-term benefits. But as old, dirty coal-fired plants go offline, and newer, cleaner ones come on, or even better we switch over to more and more renewables, that balance will continue to tip in favor of electrics. Even if we got rid of every coal plant today, all those people driving ICE vehicles will continue to add to the pollution so it has to be a two-fold solution to the problem: at the individual level with cleaner vehicles, and at the macro level of power production, to be most effective in reducing CO2 emissions and other polluting particles and gases.
Clearing the air on electric cars
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, senior writer
December 14, 2010
Clearing the air on electric cars
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, senior writer
December 14, 2010
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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07 Aug 2012 12:30 #12
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Given that most of the brown cloud's color is due to the dust raised, the type of fuel propelling the vehicle isn't going to make a world of difference in reducing it. The temperature inversions are still going to trap the fine particulates and bless us with a brown cloud even if there comes a day when every vehicle on the road is powered by batteries that are recharged with the electricity that the solar arrays generate while we are sleeping.Science Chic wrote: It's not just the mileage, electric cars emit less pollution too. Wouldn't it be nice to reduce our brown cloud?
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07 Aug 2012 12:31 #13
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But what about the pollution caused in the battery manufacture and destruction?
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln
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Science Chic wrote: It's not just the mileage, electric cars emit less pollution too. Wouldn't it be nice to reduce our brown cloud?
But what about the pollution caused in the battery manufacture and destruction?
"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln
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07 Aug 2012 12:36 #14
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Yes... all 14 owners are very satisfied.
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Raees wrote: You won't see this reported by the right because it doesn't fit their preconceived agenda....
Chevy Volt wins drivers' hearts, gets top marks in satisfaction
According to a recent, very peppy General Motors ad campaign, many Chevrolet Volt owners are brimming with enthusiasm about their plug-in hybrid.
Then again, having Chevy Volt owners evangelize about their cars in an ad designed to sell the plug-in hybrid is hardly a fair yardstick to gauge how Volt owners feel about their cars.
But a recent J.D. Power Survey has come to the same conclusion as GM’s own ad: drivers of the 2012 Chevrolet Volt are more satisfied with their new car than any other compact car buyer in the U.S. today.
In its recent 2012 Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout (APEAL) study, which examines owner impressions of their new car 90 days after purchase, J.D. Power and Associates discovered that Volt attracted the highest level of satisfaction in its segment.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Ge ... tisfaction
Yes... all 14 owners are very satisfied.
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07 Aug 2012 13:02 #15
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Hybrid Battery Toxicity
Published April 8, 2006
Just how environmentally friendly are electric vehicles?
By Darren Quick
August 31, 2010
What are the environmental impacts of electric car batteries?
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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Good question! But what you need to keep in mind is that you must compare electric car batteries to ICE car batteries - they still have 'em and guess what? The common lead acid batteries are the worst possible for the environment.Nobody that matters wrote:
Science Chic wrote: It's not just the mileage, electric cars emit less pollution too. Wouldn't it be nice to reduce our brown cloud?
But what about the pollution caused in the battery manufacture and destruction?
Hybrid Battery Toxicity
Published April 8, 2006
Lead, Nickel, Lithium—In That Order
The need for more robust battery technologies to power vehicles and their accessories prompted Environmental Defense to conduct a three-month research effort in 2005 to examine environmental impacts related to the extraction, manufacture, use, and disposal of nickel metal hydride batteries, as well as lithium ion—which many consider to be the battery of choice in the next five years. Environmental Defense then compared those impacts to lead acid. "Our initial conclusion is that lead is the worst, nickel is next, and lithium is the least harmful," said Thomas.
Just how environmentally friendly are electric vehicles?
By Darren Quick
August 31, 2010
a team of scientists from the Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Testing and Research (or EMPA) have made a detailed life cycle assessment or ecobalance of the type of lithium-ion batteries most frequently used in EVs, to see if they really are as environmentally friendly as their manufacturers would have us believe.
The team calculated the ecological footprints of electric cars fitted with Li-ion batteries, taking into account factors such as those associated with the production of individual parts, the operation of the vehicle during its lifetime, all the way through to the scrapping of the vehicles and the disposal of the remains. For comparison the team used a new petrol-engined car, meeting the Euro 5 emission regulations.
The study shows that the electric car’s Li-ion battery drive is in fact only a moderate environmental burden.
What are the environmental impacts of electric car batteries?
A similar study in January 2011 in Switzerland compared an electric car to an economical gas-powered vehicle. Even when assuming that the electricity for the lithium-ion battery came entirely from coal power, the electric car won after converting cradle-to-grave environmental impact to miles per gallon (about 45 mpg). If the electric power were to come from entirely renewable energy, the results would be 117 mpg [source: Price ].
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07 Aug 2012 13:05 #16
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Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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Our manufacturing facility has had to change over from lead batteries. Surprised that the automotive industry has been able to delay their changeover.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
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07 Aug 2012 14:17 #17
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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I'm not. Lobbyists suck.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
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07 Aug 2012 14:40 #18
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Part and parcel of the DoD creed when it comes to contracting for services or supplies, is to "buy American made". If there is only one American made product, then that is what they buy.
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07 Aug 2012 15:43 #19
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What Limbaugh says goes in your ears and out your mouth...
http://insideevs.com/as-1849-chevrolet- ... inal-cast/
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The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:
Raees wrote: You won't see this reported by the right because it doesn't fit their preconceived agenda....
Chevy Volt wins drivers' hearts, gets top marks in satisfaction
According to a recent, very peppy General Motors ad campaign, many Chevrolet Volt owners are brimming with enthusiasm about their plug-in hybrid.
Then again, having Chevy Volt owners evangelize about their cars in an ad designed to sell the plug-in hybrid is hardly a fair yardstick to gauge how Volt owners feel about their cars.
But a recent J.D. Power Survey has come to the same conclusion as GM’s own ad: drivers of the 2012 Chevrolet Volt are more satisfied with their new car than any other compact car buyer in the U.S. today.
In its recent 2012 Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout (APEAL) study, which examines owner impressions of their new car 90 days after purchase, J.D. Power and Associates discovered that Volt attracted the highest level of satisfaction in its segment.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Ge ... tisfaction
Yes... all 14 owners are very satisfied.
What Limbaugh says goes in your ears and out your mouth...
Chevrolet enjoyed another above average selling month in July, with 1,849 Volts moving into customers hands, the second best monthly result to date (2,289 were sold in March of this year). This figure was almost triple that of its main competitor, the somewhat extended range (11 miles at speed), Prius Plug-In, which Toyota only managed to move 695 copies of.
So far this year 10,666 Volts have been sold, and while GM will fall well short of an earlier ambitious projection (now rescinded) of 45,000 sold for 2012, it still represents a 271% increase over last year (2,870).http://insideevs.com/as-1849-chevrolet- ... inal-cast/
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07 Aug 2012 20:11 #20
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Maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective, having cars on a DoD installation that spontaneously combust will provide DoD first responders with valuable hands on experience putting out fires. Sure the toxic compounds from burning plastic, petroleum products, rubber, and various other materials in the Volt are hazardous but that's what first responders are trained and paid to deal with.
I haven't done the research but I wonder if the DoD/War Department bought any Ford Edsels?
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
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Maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective, having cars on a DoD installation that spontaneously combust will provide DoD first responders with valuable hands on experience putting out fires. Sure the toxic compounds from burning plastic, petroleum products, rubber, and various other materials in the Volt are hazardous but that's what first responders are trained and paid to deal with.
I haven't done the research but I wonder if the DoD/War Department bought any Ford Edsels?
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
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