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"If I tell you, we'd lose"...Part Deux
23 Aug 2012 17:12 - 23 Aug 2012 18:09 #11
by LOL
Wow SC, I never heard you so down and negative before. You used to be the shining light of positive optimism on here? Sniff sniff. Cheer up and have a glass of wine! :party
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Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
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Science Chic wrote: Doesn't matter which one wins. The economy is going to continue to stagnate, we will bear increasing debt as we continue to pay for increasingly frequent and more severe natural disasters, and all politicians will continue to stick their head in the sand denying it and putting off effective measures to mitigate more extensive damage down the road thanks to their unwavering corrupt support of fossil fuel energy and the status quo.
We're all hosed. I don't even think Jill Stein has a prayer of making anything happen.
Wow SC, I never heard you so down and negative before. You used to be the shining light of positive optimism on here? Sniff sniff. Cheer up and have a glass of wine! :party
LOL If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2
Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
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23 Aug 2012 17:26 - 24 Aug 2012 05:55 #13
by LOL
If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2
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Well if anyone wants to really tackle CO2, pollution and energy independence long term, you would need to go step by step.
Efficiency
Natural Gas
Nuclear
and long term a breakthrough in Fusion or something else.
And of course drill for what oil we need at home, oil is used in a lot of products from plastic to tires to asphalt, and much more.
Solar and Wind will never power the whole electrical grid - too variable, 30% would be huge. And China and India will cancel out whatever we save anyway. 30% electric cars would be huge too. We still will be using oil in 50 years.
Efficiency
Natural Gas
Nuclear
and long term a breakthrough in Fusion or something else.
And of course drill for what oil we need at home, oil is used in a lot of products from plastic to tires to asphalt, and much more.
Solar and Wind will never power the whole electrical grid - too variable, 30% would be huge. And China and India will cancel out whatever we save anyway. 30% electric cars would be huge too. We still will be using oil in 50 years.
If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2
Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
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23 Aug 2012 18:13 #14
by ScienceChic
How many more billions do you guys think we have to continue fighting forest fires that are only going to get worse due to the drought and heat? How much money do you have to pay for food costs that will increase due to crop failures? When sea levels continue to rise and coastal cities start becoming flooded even without hurricanes to push the water in, and then hurricanes do come and effect more damage further inland than they've ever done before, how long until we run out of money to continue cleaning up and rebuilding (and paying for insurance costs), or just abandoning whole areas? This is our children's future unless we get off the fossil fuel teat, and soon. Ignore it if you want cuz it's a big, scary, ugly problem with no easy solutions, but I'm not voting for any moron who keeps moving us backwards.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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lol That's part of my problem - I have so much to do that I can't afford to drink and it's causing problems! I brought a bottle to last night's 285 Tourism Meeting to celebrate our success at the Carnation Festival this past weekend promoting tourism to the corridor to help boost our local economy, came home, sat down to watch a little TV with hubby before getting back to it and crashed. :faint: No more wine til I get caught up (or at least not so far behind on high-priority items) - it kills my night-time productivity.LOL wrote:
Science Chic wrote: Doesn't matter which one wins. The economy is going to continue to stagnate, we will bear increasing debt as we continue to pay for increasingly frequent and more severe natural disasters, and all politicians will continue to stick their head in the sand denying it and putting off effective measures to mitigate more extensive damage down the road thanks to their unwavering corrupt support of fossil fuel energy and the status quo.
We're all hosed. I don't even think Jill Stein has a prayer of making anything happen.
Wow SC, I never heard you so down and negative before. You used to be the shining light of Optimism on here. Sniff sniff. Cheer up and have a glass of wine! :party
Then he's a dumbass idiot who will ruin our economy irrevocably and it won't get us off our Middle East dependence anyway - there's not enough fossil fuels here in the US to support our burgeoning consumption and they'd price us right out of the market to boot for our efforts.FredHayek wrote: Don't tell SC. Romney declared his energy policy. Very specific. Drill baby drill. We will drill onshore. We will drill offshore. No more dependence on the Middle East.
How many more billions do you guys think we have to continue fighting forest fires that are only going to get worse due to the drought and heat? How much money do you have to pay for food costs that will increase due to crop failures? When sea levels continue to rise and coastal cities start becoming flooded even without hurricanes to push the water in, and then hurricanes do come and effect more damage further inland than they've ever done before, how long until we run out of money to continue cleaning up and rebuilding (and paying for insurance costs), or just abandoning whole areas? This is our children's future unless we get off the fossil fuel teat, and soon. Ignore it if you want cuz it's a big, scary, ugly problem with no easy solutions, but I'm not voting for any moron who keeps moving us backwards.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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23 Aug 2012 18:20 #15
by LOL
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Well don't push yourself too hard SC, sounds like a vacation is in order!
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23 Aug 2012 18:30 #16
by ScienceChic
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Replied by ScienceChic on topic "If I tell you, we'd lose"...Part Deux
Thanks LOL, I'll try not to (although that's just my nature). 
Vaca weekend in October to Seattle for a good friend's wedding - Washington Wine Country here I come! :woo hoo: Money in wallet, there it goes. lol
Vaca weekend in October to Seattle for a good friend's wedding - Washington Wine Country here I come! :woo hoo: Money in wallet, there it goes. lol "Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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