The Apologizer in Chief

23 Sep 2012 16:16 #11 by FredHayek
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I love all the fear of Iran getting nukes when Pakistan already has them. Harbored OBL and it would only take the next election for them to fall into the hands of radicals. Or a successful on a storage facility with sympathetic guards.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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23 Sep 2012 16:38 #12 by LadyJazzer
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I love the fear that the GOTP has of Obama winning the election, so they keep posting proven lies about an "apology tour" that never happened, and apologies that never happened...

And then change the subject when they are called on it.

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23 Sep 2012 16:47 #13 by FredHayek
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Apology tour. I heard the speeches myself and don't need the Huff Post to spin it to know they made Obama not look like a powerful leader they should respect. What plays in the Beltway doesn't sell in countries like the Middle East where only the strong seize power. Hilary plays tougher than BHO the anti-colonial.

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23 Sep 2012 18:13 #14 by LadyJazzer
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You don't need truth to upset your selectively-edited lies ... You obviously have me confused with someone who gives a sh*t about your penchant for drinking right-wing Kool-Aid.

So, in the interest of bringing TRUTH, whether you believe it or not, here it is again:

Fact Checker: Obama's 'Apology Tour'
Washington Post


The Facts

Most of the criticism stems from a series of speeches that Obama made shortly after taking office, when he was trying to introduce himself to the world and also signify a break with the Bush administration with new policies, such as pledging to close the detainee facility at Guantanamo Bay.

This is typical of many new presidents. George W. Bush, for instance, quickly broke with Clinton administration policy on dealings with North Korea, the Kyoto climate change treaty and the international criminal court, to name a few.

Rove built his case around four quotes made by Obama:

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that decisions about the world financial system were no longer made by "just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy" -- as if that were a bad thing. And in Latin America, he said the U.S. had not "pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors" because we "failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas."

In none of these cases does Obama actually use a word at all similar to "apologize." The Latin American comment might have resonance with Rove's old boss, since that was Bush's charge against the Clinton administration in the 2000 campaign. The Prague and London quotes are not apologies at all. The Paris quote, which is often cited as an apology, is taken out of context.

In Paris, Obama was trying to rebuild relations with Europe, where opposition to the Iraq war had run high. The quote in Paris often cited by conservatives is this: "In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive."

That doesn't sound like much of an apology, more of a statement of fact that few international-relations experts would quarrel with. But Obama was making the case that both sides had misunderstood each other, and so he also said: "But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad."

The two sentences are a matched pair; there is no apology.

The Heritage Foundation list is also a stretch. Again, nothing akin to the word "apology" is ever used by Obama. In most of these cases, Obama is trying to make a clear distinction with his predecessor, much as Ronald Reagan did with Jimmy Carter, or George W. Bush with Clinton. Guantanamo or the war on terrorism figures in four of the so-called apologies -- and it is noteworthy during the 2000 campaign that Obama's GOP opponent, Sen. John McCain, also had said he would close the facility. Obama's comments express a disagreement over policy, not a distaste for the nation.

Another Heritage example is a speech Obama gave in April 2009 to the Turkish parliament, in which he was trying to urge that country to come to terms with its tragic history with the Armenians: "The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution."

But compare what Obama said to what George W. Bush said at Senegal's Goree Island in 2003. Bush called the U.S. constitution flawed and said that America is still troubled by the legacy of slavery. This does not seem like an apology, either -- but it is even more sharply framed than Obama's comments.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-c ... _tour.html

“The claim that Obama repeatedly has apologized for the United States is not borne out by the facts, especially if his full quotes are viewed in context,” Washington Post fact checkers wrote in 2011. “Note to GOP speechwriters and campaign ad makers: The apology tour never happened.”

Outside of that, I could care less what you believe, since it is belief based on right-wing drivel instead of facts. Repeating the "apology" lie over and over again doesn't make it true... But Goebbels would be so proud.

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23 Sep 2012 18:35 #15 by Blazer Bob
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Democracy4Sale wrote: I love the fear that the GOTP has of Obama winning the election, so they keep posting proven lies about an "apology tour" that never happened, and apologies that never happened...

And then change the subject when they are called on it.


What was the subject again?

In the mean time Ambassador Stevens is still dead.

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23 Sep 2012 18:37 #16 by LadyJazzer
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....So are the 3,000+ from 9/11

....So are the ones who died in the bombing of the Embassy in Beirut...

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23 Sep 2012 20:04 #17 by lionshead2010
Sorry but I won't apologize for the First Amendment and neither should any other American.

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23 Sep 2012 20:05 #18 by archer
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lionshead2010 wrote: Sorry but I won't apologize for the First Amendment and neither should any other American.

Who asked you to?

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23 Sep 2012 20:07 #19 by LadyJazzer
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lionshead2010 wrote: Sorry but I won't apologize for the First Amendment and neither should any other American.


You're free to lie ... And I'm free to call you on it.

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24 Sep 2012 08:53 #20 by lionshead2010

Democracy4Sale wrote:

lionshead2010 wrote: Sorry but I won't apologize for the First Amendment and neither should any other American.


You're free to lie ... And I'm free to call you on it.


I'm not sure why you are calling me a liar. I guess it has something to do with the grade school mentality you never seemed to progress from. I feel sorry for you. I really do.

As for lies...your head is so full of feces and your heart so full of hate that you wouldn't know a lie if it bit you right square in the butt.

This issue boils down to the First Amendment. An American should be able to say or think whatever he/she wants to...even if someone else doesn't happen to agree with it. It's called free speech. With all the stupid and hateful things you say and do in great volume day to day in this forum....you of all people should be happy for the First Amendment. In another place in another part of the world your puss and lifestyle would have been the end of you years ago.

Go run your mouth and lifestyle in Afghanistan or any other muslim country and see how they appreciate your free speech.

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