Romney lies topic 2

Democracy4Sale wrote: "I may not answer the questions the way that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people..." -- Half-Governor MooseMeat, a/k/a Gidget.

Thanks for proving my point. More talking points.

Again, back to the original post on this thread, neither RomneyCare nor ObamaCare covers all cases pre-existing conditions.

Do you have anything intelligent to add to the original post?

Yes...

We can do this like the Pennsylvania GOTP check-list:

ACA:
1) Small Business Health Insurance Tax Credits: DONE
2) Allowing States to Cover More People on Medicaid: DONE (The fact that the knuckle-draggers in some GOTP-controlled states have chosen not to is not the fault of the program.)
3) Relief for 4-Million Seniors Who Hit the Medicare Prescription Drug “Donut Hole”: DONE
4) Expanding Coverage for Early Retirees: DONE
5) Pre-existing conditions covered for children: DONE
6) Wellness exams and preventative care covered: DONE
7) Specific Free Preventive Care for Seniors: DONE
8) Lifetime limits on coverage, gone..: DONE
9) Regulating Annual Limits on Insurance Coverage; Lowered now; GONE in 2014
10) Prohibiting Insurance Companies from Rescinding Coverage: DONE
11) Coverage for Young Adults to age-26 on parent's policy: DONE
12) Appealing Insurance Company Decisions with external review process: DONE
13) Pre-existing conditions covered for adults: 2014, DONE
14) Holding Insurance Companies Accountable for Unreasonable Rate Hikes: DONE
15) Rebuilding the Primary Care Workforce: Incentives, DONE
16) Additional Prescription Drug Discounts for Seniors: DONE
17) Bringing Down Health Care Premiums by REQUIRING that at LEAST 85% of premiums go to patient care...(instead of fat salaries for CEOs and Admins/advertising/etc.): DONE
18) Addressing Overpayments to Big Insurance Companies and Strengthening Medicare Advantage: DONE
19) Reducing Paperwork and Administrative Costs: DONE
20) Linking Payment to Quality Outcomes: DONE
21) Establishing Affordable Insurance Exchanges (where states aren't blocking it...and using the Fed Gov't to establish them if the state refuses): 2014, DONE
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/

Gee, speculating about "how bad it will be", and the lies about how much it will increase the debt, (when the GAO is saying that it will save Billions over the next 10 years) is just as useless...

Thanks. Another GOTP talking-point down the drain.


ACA WILL cover ALL pre-existing conditions by the time that part of the time-line kicks in, in 2014. Children are already covered. RMoney doesn't do anything except what the insurance companies do now: "If you're already covered then we MAY (or May NOT) cover them, depending on whether they can come up with a reason to drop you. Want to change employers? Insurance companies? Take a new job in another state?... You're screwed. But, hey, there's always the "Emergency Room."

Funny watching you still post the talking points you've posted before. Can't you speak for yourself or are you just a parrot?

I responded specifically that Obamacare will not cover pre-existing conditions if you were not already enrolled. You have to wait for the yearly sign-up period.

Prove me wrong. I know you'll have to wait for a Huffington Post to quote before you can even speak.

pineinthegrass wrote: ...neither RomneyCare nor ObamaCare covers all cases pre-existing conditions.

Funny watching you ask for "anything intelligent to add to the original post", when it's already been posted. Your inability to make the connection between the facts posted, and the question you asked is not my problem. Obviously, you are wrong about ObamaCare not covering pre-existing conditions. I posted the proof. If you actually understood what I posted before, then you wouldn't be asking for an answer to the same question.

That is not my problem.

Having to sign up during the "enrollment period", (which has been in place for decades, and was a requirement by insurance companies), has NOTHING TO DO with allowing insurance companies to deny coverage because you weren't already insured. RMoney's total lack of coverage for pre-existing conditions "unless you were already covered", is the usual irrelevant apples-and-oranges comparison. RMoney lied... Obama did not.

Democracy4Sale wrote:

pineinthegrass wrote: ...neither RomneyCare nor ObamaCare covers all cases pre-existing conditions.

Funny watching you ask for "anything intelligent to add to the original post", when it's already been posted. Your inability to make the connection between the facts posted, and the question you asked is not my problem. Obviously, you are wrong about ObamaCare covering pre-existing conditions. I posted the proof. If you actually understood what I posted before, then you wouldn't be asking for an answer to the same question.

That is not my problem.

No, you just posted the same stuff you did before. Where is the "proof"?

Just posting that pre-existing conditions are covered from a biased source doesn't mean it's true.

Again, Obamacare will not cover pre-existing conditions if you were not already insured. You have to wait for the sign-up period. You've posted noting to dispute that point. Again, you can't discuss anything. You just post talking points.

"healthcare.gov" is biased? You can't possibly know how much I don't care if you think that ".gov" is biased...

Having to sign up during the "enrollment period", (which has been in place for decades, and was a requirement by insurance companies), has NOTHING TO DO with allowing insurance companies to deny coverage because you weren't already insured. RMoney's total lack of coverage for pre-existing conditions "unless you were already covered", is the usual irrelevant apples-and-oranges comparison. And unless you have a link to some sort of proof that when the coverage under ACA kicks in, it requires waiting until the next enrollment period for pre-existing conditions, then I'll assume that is so much uninformed b.s. too. RMoney lied... Obama did not.

ObamaCare already DOES cover pre-existing conditions for children because THEY CANNOT BE DENIED BY INSURERS. By 2014, when it kicks in for adults, they will not be able to be denied by insurers either. I'll keep posting the FACTS until you "get it." Your inability to do so is still not my problem.

Have a nice life...

So what! Romney doesn't become king when elected. Obamacare will still be the law of the land because the Dems in the Senate won't vote to repeal it. Much ado about nothing. Plus the pre-existing condition coverage is too popular with the American public. Arguing over a line that won't happen. Please close this thread. If you want to discuss a Mitt lie talk about his promise to repeal ACA. It might be modified a bit but it isn't going away.