Where Mitt Romney went wrong and stayed there

06 Nov 2012 09:39 #11 by CinnamonGirl
Replied by CinnamonGirl on topic Where Mitt Romney went wrong and stayed there

Raees wrote: I really didn't expect any of you on the right to be open to a different look at your candidate.



I am open but not to motherjones opinion. Plus you don't know if he stayed there. The election is not over.

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06 Nov 2012 10:24 #12 by navycpo7

Raees wrote: Mitt Romney had a choice this election: He could surf the bubbling froth of right-wing rage against the president all the way to the White House, or he could discard the racialized narrative of the Obama presidency put forth by the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich.

Throughout the campaign, much of his party was pushing him in one direction: Some Republicans still believed the president was not born in the United States; conservative media figures presented everything from Obama's economic policy to the Affordable Care Act as seeking racial vengeance, accused him of lying about his religion, and argued that he secretly sympathizes with America's enemies. As National Journal's Ron Brownstein dubbed it, the 2012 election is a battle between the gray and the brown, the GOP's aging white base versus the Democrats' increasingly diverse coalition. Relying almost exclusively on the white vote, however, is a strategy with an expiration date. It's a move that cuts against the demographic tide. As one Republican adviser put it to Brownstein, "this is the last time anyone will try to do this."

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11 ... -out-dirty


Why does it not surprize me that the likes of you would come up with some stupid ass stuff like this. And you got it from motherjones.com rofllol rofllol rofllol :Koolaid: Actually I was wondering how long it would take before this kind of BS came out, no surprize that it was you that did it.

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06 Nov 2012 10:32 #13 by LadyJazzer
"Revenge"? Another "creatively edited" out-of-context quote? :lol:

Well, poor GOTP, that's all they know how to do.

Romney’s Jeep ad creating Ohio ‘backlash’

Daviid Axelrod told CNN Tuesday morning that the ad is “creating a real backlash in that state.” He added: ”I think that’s going to come into play. What it did was create an even larger gulf of trust and trust is a big issue in this campaign, and particularly for these voters in Ohio for whom questions like the survival of the auto industry are very much questions about their family’s economic well being."

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06 Nov 2012 10:44 #14 by navycpo7

Democracy4Sale wrote: "Revenge"? Another "creatively edited" out-of-context quote? :lol:

Well, poor GOTP, that's all they know how to do.

Romney’s Jeep ad creating Ohio ‘backlash’

Daviid Axelrod told CNN Tuesday morning that the ad is “creating a real backlash in that state.” He added: ”I think that’s going to come into play. What it did was create an even larger gulf of trust and trust is a big issue in this campaign, and particularly for these voters in Ohio for whom questions like the survival of the auto industry are very much questions about their family’s economic well being."


Romney was not totally wrong on this issue. Jeep was considering about moving a portion of the jeep industry to china to make jeeps there for sale and use there.

That is exactly what the author of the Bloomberg article with the poorly worded headline was going on about. To streamline production during the Great Recession, Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne had Jeeps for the Chinese market built in the U.S. To meet growing demand, however, Marchionne is now in talks with Guangzhou Automobile Group about the possibility of making some — or perhaps all — Chinese-bound Jeeps in China itself.

The whole thing is blamed on the bloomberg article written about the jeep move, Bloomberg did not do there home work either.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/11/05/s ... a-or-what/

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06 Nov 2012 10:53 #15 by FredHayek

Raees wrote: I really didn't expect any of you on the right to be open to a different look at your candidate.

A different look? I have been reading this article from hundreds of different sources. The GOP won't win without the minority vote, like in 2010? Like in 2004? Like in 2012? It is all about getting out the vote. And the minority vote is not as enthusiastic about Obama this year, and the independent vote this year is also not excited about BHO.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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06 Nov 2012 10:59 #16 by LadyJazzer

navycpo7 wrote: Romney was not totally wrong on this issue.


Uh... Yes, he was... Perhaps sometime he should get FACTS before opening his mouth, instead of having one of his bozos getting their material from Rightie-blogs....And then doubling-down on the lies.

Romney picks up incorrect story about Jeep production moving to China

Washington — Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney told a rally in northern Ohio on Thursday night that Chrysler was considering moving production of its Jeep vehicles to China, apparently reacting to incorrect reports circulating online.

"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep — now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China," Romney said at a rally in Defiance, Ohio, home to a General Motors powertrain plant. "I will fight for every good job in America. I'm going to fight to make sure trade is fair, and if it's fair America will win."

Romney was apparently responding to reports Thursday on right-leaning blogs that misinterpreted a recent Bloomberg News story earlier this week that said Chrysler, owned by Italian automaker Fiat SpA, is thinking of building Jeeps in China for sale in the Chinese market.

The Bloomberg story, though accurate, "has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America, and therefore idle assembly lines and U.S. work force. It is a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats," Chrysler spokesman Gualberto Ranieri said.


And, heeeeeeere's Jeep..."To set the record straight":

"Let's set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It's simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world's largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation."

The Bloomberg story, however, sparked the confusion in the first paragraph of the story, saying Chrysler planned to return Jeep output to China "and may eventually make all of its models in that country."

But the reporter included Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia, later in the story referring to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

"The truth is that Chrysler is not moving its Jeep production from America to China. As Chrysler said today, 'Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China.' And what's more: President Obama has fought on behalf of U.S. auto workers by challenging unfair Chinese tariffs on U.S. auto exports to China, including Jeeps, while Romney would have let the American auto industry and a million jobs go under."

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... n-to-China

No, Mr. Romney: Jeep Is Not Moving All Its Factories to China

That's the kind of line that you can expect to fire up a crowd on the campaign trail, especially a crowd in a town like Defiance, which is home to a General Motors (GM) factory.

There's just one problem: It's not true.

Yes, Chrysler Might Build Jeeps in China. But ...

Here's what is true: Chrysler is indeed considering a plan to make Jeeps in China. But it's not planning to send those Jeeps to the U.S. to sell -- and it's definitely not planning to close the factories that currently make Jeeps in Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio.

Why would Chrysler want to make Jeeps in China? Lots of reasons, but one big one in particular: China places heavy taxes on imported cars and trucks. Non-Chinese automakers that want to do business in China's booming auto market are almost always better off building their cars and trucks locally.

Nearly all of the automakers you've ever heard of are either building cars in China already or making plans to do so.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/26/ ... -false-gm/

Oh, and by the way:

For additional context, it's worth noting that the Detroit News reports today that Chrysler is adding an additional 1,100 new jobs. Why? To add a third shift to build more Jeeps right here in the United States.


But, hey:

"We Won’t ‘Let Our Campaign Be Dictated By Fact-Checkers’

The Romney campaign has been rebutted by many fact-checking organizations over inaccuracies in the claim, and during a panel discussion today, Romney pollster Neil Newhouse responded to the criticism, saying, “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/romney-p ... -checkers/

Soooo, kiddies, our "Lying-Sack-of-Sh*t" Award today goes TO:.......[drum roll] Mitt-the-Twit RMoney!!!!

"We don' need no steenkin' facts...."

Chrysler, GM Rebuke Mitt Romney Jeep Ad

Mitt Romney's round of highly dubious television and radio ads suggesting that Chrysler and GM are shipping American jobs to China has managed to offend both car companies.

A spokesperson for General Motors told the Detroit Free Press that the ad was, more or less, crass and misleading.

“We've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days,” GM spokesman Greg Martin said. “No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.”

The day before, meanwhile, Chrysler Group LLC CEO Sergio Marchionne penned a letter to the Detroit News insisting that there was no validity to the idea that the company was shipping Jeep production overseas. Instead, he noted, the company was looking to open new factories in China to meet increasing demand there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/3 ... r=Business

In fact, they are adding a third shift... 1100 new Jobs...

Did I mention that RMONEY IS A LIAR?


And today, here's the evaluation by the rest of the Civilized World:

Denver Post: Editorial: Romney outsourcing the truth on Jeeps

Translation: RMoney is a liar.

Detroit Free Press: GM calls latest Romney auto ad 'politics at its cynical worst'

Translation: RMoney is a liar.

Politifact: Mitt Romney says Obama's Chrysler deal undermined U.S. workers
Pants on Fire :

Translation: RMoney is a liar.

Washington Post: 4 Pinocchios for Mitt Romney’s misleading ad on Chrysler and China



Translation: RMoney is a liar.

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06 Nov 2012 11:19 #17 by navycpo7
After reading the bloomberg article it was misleading and they should have done some checking, the fact that they are considering reopening some jeep production in China for sale and use in china.

That has been proven. As for the Jeep production here in the US no they are not closing those plants, and yes Chrysler is adding around 1100 jobs.

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06 Nov 2012 11:21 #18 by LadyJazzer

navycpo7 wrote: After reading the bloomberg article it was misleading and they should have done some checking, the fact that they are considering reopening some jeep production in China for sale and use in china.

That has been proven. As for the Jeep production here in the US no they are not closing those plants, and yes Chrysler is adding around 1100 jobs.


Which is what *I*, and the rest of the industry have been saying all along. And THAT is where "Mitt Romney went wrong and stayed there."

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06 Nov 2012 15:40 #19 by FredHayek
So Willard's mistake was to trust the press? Like LJ did during the Scott Walker recall? Maybe after tonight, LJ will learn to not trust HuffPo?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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06 Nov 2012 15:52 #20 by LadyJazzer
I'm not getting my numbers from HuffPo...But thanks for playing...

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