The war on Christmas?

It wasn't until 1954 that the words "under God" were added to the Pledge of Allegiance by newly baptized Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower. I think it goes directly against the First Amendment.

For some reason, many seem to think God takes sides in world issues and he's always on our side.

As Jon Stewart asked, "Well if [America] is so blessed, why did God put all the oil under the people that hate us?"

well Jon is wrongo,

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/13 ... l-20121113

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/busin ... .html?_r=0

Christmas isn't about Christ? Christianity isn't a religion?

WTF is going on these days. Why does it seem like Christians are running away from their religion anymore?

Soulshiner wrote: Christmas isn't about Christ? Christianity isn't a religion?

WTF is going on these days. Why does it seem like Christians are running away from their religion anymore?

I would bet more secular Christmas's are celebrated than religious ones. Would you dispute that too?

Irony? Christians stole Christmas from the Romans and now the secularists are stealing it from the Christians.

I see many more Santa's and "Holiday trees" this time of year than baby Jesus's and nativity scenes.

Soulshiner wrote: Christmas isn't about Christ? Christianity isn't a religion?

WTF is going on these days. Why does it seem like Christians are running away from their religion anymore?

Do you have a link for that is it just something "people say". :rofl rofllol

Blazer Bob wrote:

Soulshiner wrote: Christmas isn't about Christ? Christianity isn't a religion?

WTF is going on these days. Why does it seem like Christians are running away from their religion anymore?

Do you have a link for that is it just something "people say". :rofl rofllol

Really? After all this time on this board you cannot tell when a post is a personal opinion and when it is not? Back to school for the whole lot of you.

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The thread unravled

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If you actually look at the Constitution, it is more a requirement that there is no official endorsement of one religion over others. What constitutes an endorsement is where it gets hairy. Back in the day, our founders were looking at the Church of England as an example of state endorsed religion over other Christian faiths.
Nowdays I can see where some people believe that Christianity is endorsed over other religions, we even have a national holiday for Christmas, would that count as an endorsement?

Should the athiests demand that Christmas no longer be a national holiday?

The 1st Amendment in regard to religion states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

It does not say that no law respecting an establishment of a religion or a particular religion but religion period. Thus, it is clear that the Constitution intended to keep the government and religion entirely separate, thus a "wall" between them. It was not just intended to prevent the favoring of one religion over another, but from the government and any religion. this is also clear from the writings and thoughts of Jefferson and Madison.

Bovine Scat. From the outset those that met to do the Union's business conducted prayers in chambers prior to doing so. The founders and framers were intelligent enough to draw a distinction between religion and philosophy. Religion was Catholic, or Lutheran, or Puritan even though all were based in the same philosophy of Christianity. The 1st Amendment was written to ensure that one religion, Catholicism, or Anglican, or Lutheran, or Puritan, didn't become the official religion of the United States the way that the Anglican Church was the official state sponsored church of England. It wasn't even written to prevent the States themselves from adopting an official religion for that State, only to prevent the federal government from doing the same. We had official State religions in this Union until the 1830's.

What is abundantly clear to any thinking person is that the framers intended to ensure that the federal government was tolerant of every religion in the public square and hostile to none as opposed to the modern "interpretation" that not a hint of religious belief was to be found anywhere within the halls of government. None other than George Washington instituted the first National Day of Prayer. Not a national day of Catholic Prayer, or Anglican Prayer, but prayer according to one's own conscience with the intent of seeking intercession for our new and fragile Republic. The 1st Amendment exists to ensure that the United States never adopts Catholicism as a national religion that all must support and pay tribute to regardless of whether or not they themselves are Catholic, not to keep the chosen representatives of the people from saying a prayer before attending to the business of the Union or to prevent the display of a Creche on public property.

HAHAHAHAHA! So you're seriously going down the Bill O'Reilly "Christianity is not a religion" path? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Whew, that's just too much. PrintSmith, religion requires faith, philosophy requires reason. You're trying to sell your faith as logic, but it isn't. You're trying to tell us Christianity is not a religion, while over 2 billion practicing Christians worldwide scratch their heads wondering why you want to insult their faith (by the way, there are folks who believe themselves to be only 'Christians'...not Catholic, Protestant, or anything else...just 'Christian'). You wish you were the ultimate SpinSmith, but O'Reilly beat you to it a few weeks ago. And here you are regurgitating that foolishness...classic.

PrintSmith wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If you actually look at the Constitution, it is more a requirement that there is no official endorsement of one religion over others. What constitutes an endorsement is where it gets hairy. Back in the day, our founders were looking at the Church of England as an example of state endorsed religion over other Christian faiths.
Nowdays I can see where some people believe that Christianity is endorsed over other religions, we even have a national holiday for Christmas, would that count as an endorsement?

Should the athiests demand that Christmas no longer be a national holiday?

The 1st Amendment in regard to religion states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

It does not say that no law respecting an establishment of a religion or a particular religion but religion period. Thus, it is clear that the Constitution intended to keep the government and religion entirely separate, thus a "wall" between them. It was not just intended to prevent the favoring of one religion over another, but from the government and any religion. this is also clear from the writings and thoughts of Jefferson and Madison.

Bovine Scat. From the outset those that met to do the Union's business conducted prayers in chambers prior to doing so. The founders and framers were intelligent enough to draw a distinction between religion and philosophy. Religion was Catholic, or Lutheran, or Puritan even though all were based in the same philosophy of Christianity. The 1st Amendment was written to ensure that one religion, Catholicism, or Anglican, or Lutheran, or Puritan, didn't become the official religion of the United States the way that the Anglican Church was the official state sponsored church of England. It wasn't even written to prevent the States themselves from adopting an official religion for that State, only to prevent the federal government from doing the same. We had official State religions in this Union until the 1830's.

What is abundantly clear to any thinking person is that the framers intended to ensure that the federal government was tolerant of every religion in the public square and hostile to none as opposed to the modern "interpretation" that not a hint of religious belief was to be found anywhere within the halls of government. None other than George Washington instituted the first National Day of Prayer. Not a national day of Catholic Prayer, or Anglican Prayer, but prayer according to one's own conscience with the intent of seeking intercession for our new and fragile Republic. The 1st Amendment exists to ensure that the United States never adopts Catholicism as a national religion that all must support and pay tribute to regardless of whether or not they themselves are Catholic, not to keep the chosen representatives of the people from saying a prayer before attending to the business of the Union or to prevent the display of a Creche on public property.

Bullshit. The 1st Amendment is clear on it's face. No establishment of religion. It does not say no establishment of a religion over another, or of a particular religion. It states "no establishment of religion". No modifiers. Jefferson and Madison also made it extremely clear that they wanted no interference with government in religion, but even more so, no interference with religion in government. Jefferson even coined the phrase of the wall between government and religion.