2nd Amendment intended to enforce slavery

16 Jan 2013 09:44 #11 by Something the Dog Said

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FredHayek wrote: But all the other Bill of Rights are written to support individual rights over goverment, but you think the 2nd is the exception to the rule, supporting states rights over federal?

The 10th amendment was written to support states rights over federal rights in certain instances, so is that also an exception to the rule?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


The 10th amendment was written to to support states rights over federal rights in ALL cases except those specified in the Constitution ans being Federal.

So you agree that not all of the Bill of Rights were written to support individual rights over government.

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16 Jan 2013 09:45 #12 by FredHayek
So states rights over federal rights was almost an afterthought? And making sure individual citizens had military grade firearms was the second most important to our founding fathers? I like how these founding fathers think!

And which amendment have the Feds trashed the most, the 2nd or the 10th?

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16 Jan 2013 09:48 #13 by Nobody that matters

FredHayek wrote: So states rights over federal rights was almost an afterthought? And making sure individual citizens had military grade firearms was the second most important to our founding fathers? I like how these founding fathers think!

And which amendment have the Feds trashed the most, the 2nd or the 10th?


I'd say that the4 10th has taken a beating so far, but the 2nd is catching up quickly.

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16 Jan 2013 09:50 #14 by Something the Dog Said
Neither. According to the Supreme Court, it would be the 1st, 4th and the 5th.

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16 Jan 2013 09:52 #15 by Nobody that matters

Something the Dog Said wrote: Neither. According to the Supreme Court, it would be the 1st, 4th and the 5th.


Well, if you're gonna open it up to all 10, it's a different kettle of fish :)

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16 Jan 2013 09:55 #16 by Nobody that matters

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote: But all the other Bill of Rights are written to support individual rights over goverment, but you think the 2nd is the exception to the rule, supporting states rights over federal?

The 10th amendment was written to support states rights over federal rights in certain instances, so is that also an exception to the rule?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


The 10th amendment was written to to support states rights over federal rights in ALL cases except those specified in the Constitution ans being Federal.

So you agree that not all of the Bill of Rights were written to support individual rights over government.

No, I said no such thing. I think that each amendment must be considered on it's own, and that sweeping generalizations about their intent is an exercise in futility.

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16 Jan 2013 09:56 #17 by Something the Dog Said
I believe the federal government was only found to be in violation of the 2nd amendment once or twice in the last 220 years, likewise the 10th amendment only a couple of times. So I would not say those rights have been "trampled" by the federal government.

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16 Jan 2013 09:57 #18 by Something the Dog Said

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Something the Dog Said wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote: But all the other Bill of Rights are written to support individual rights over goverment, but you think the 2nd is the exception to the rule, supporting states rights over federal?

The 10th amendment was written to support states rights over federal rights in certain instances, so is that also an exception to the rule?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


The 10th amendment was written to to support states rights over federal rights in ALL cases except those specified in the Constitution ans being Federal.

So you agree that not all of the Bill of Rights were written to support individual rights over government.

No, I said no such thing. I think that each amendment must be considered on it's own, and that sweeping generalizations about their intent is an exercise in futility.

So you agree that Fred was incorrect.

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16 Jan 2013 10:07 #19 by Nobody that matters

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote: But all the other Bill of Rights are written to support individual rights over goverment, but you think the 2nd is the exception to the rule, supporting states rights over federal?

The 10th amendment was written to support states rights over federal rights in certain instances, so is that also an exception to the rule?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


The 10th amendment was written to to support states rights over federal rights in ALL cases except those specified in the Constitution ans being Federal.

So you agree that not all of the Bill of Rights were written to support individual rights over government.

No, I said no such thing. I think that each amendment must be considered on it's own, and that sweeping generalizations about their intent is an exercise in futility.

So you agree that Fred was incorrect.


More of a over-generalization than incorrect, but to be honest I've never read through them with the intent to determine if they are discussing individual, local, state or federal issues.

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