Navy: USS Guardian to be dismantled after running aground

For Bob and Otis and anyone else who wants to chime in.
:Off Topic but I have to ask
As former sailors what are you thoughts on Whale Wars. I am amazed they haven't been killed by their own actions. For those of you who don't know, Whale Wars chronicles the adventures of Sea Shepard Society waging "war" on the Japanese whaling fleet. Seen on Animal Planet and of course on-line.

Grady wrote: For Bob and Otis and anyone else who wants to chime in.
:Off Topic but I have to ask
As former sailors what are you thoughts on Whale Wars. I am amazed they haven't been killed by their own actions. For those of you who don't know, Whale Wars chronicles the adventures of Sea Shepard Society waging "war" on the Japanese whaling fleet. Seen on Animal Planet and of course on-line.

I am sorry, I hve no thoughts :snowsmile: and am getting ready for a road trip.

Grady wrote: For Bob and Otis and anyone else who wants to chime in.
:Off Topic but I have to ask
As former sailors what are you thoughts on Whale Wars. I am amazed they haven't been killed by their own actions. For those of you who don't know, Whale Wars chronicles the adventures of Sea Shepard Society waging "war" on the Japanese whaling fleet. Seen on Animal Planet and of course on-line.

Is this the Greenpeace ship that goes around the Pacific harassing and ramming the Japanese whaling fleet? I say that those kinds of actions in international waters constitute intentional acts of aggression and could easily result in the sinking of one or both vessels and the loss of many if not all on board. In my mind the Japanese have every right to do what ever they can to defend their vessel when they are under an attack they didn't provoke (NO, the act of conducting legal whaling is not a justification to attack the vessel doing the whaling - it's not against any treaty).

I'm not a fan of whaling, I believe that the indigenous peoples of the north are the only people who have a legitimate right to hunt and harvest whales but, don't hold your breath waiting for me to become a member of Greenpeace any time soon either.

So let's assume the worst case, the Greenpeace ship manages to damage a Japanese ship to the point that it is sinking. Does the Law of the Sea apply? Do the people on the Greenpeace ship have any obligation to retrieve the survivors from the water or should they be left to their own devices because the crew and Skipper of the Greenpeace ship view the Japanese as being worse than criminals?

Reverse the situation and follow the more likely scenario, the Japanese ship out maneuvers the Greenpeace ship but in repeated attempts to ram the Japanese ship the Greenpeace ship suffers catastrophic damage and sinks. I have to believe that Japanese crew and their Skipper would recover every body live or dead that they could and then take them to the nearest port to be prosecuted as the criminals that they are.

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Grady wrote: For Bob and Otis and anyone else who wants to chime in.
:Off Topic but I have to ask
As former sailors what are you thoughts on Whale Wars. I am amazed they haven't been killed by their own actions. For those of you who don't know, Whale Wars chronicles the adventures of Sea Shepard Society waging "war" on the Japanese whaling fleet. Seen on Animal Planet and of course on-line.

Is this the Greenpeace ship that goes around the Pacific harassing and ramming the Japanese whaling fleet? I say that those kinds of actions in international waters constitute intentional acts of aggression and could easily result in the sinking of one or both vessels and the loss of many if not all on board. In my mind the Japanese have every right to do what ever they can to defend their vessel when they are under an attack they didn't provoke (NO, the act of conducting legal whaling is not a justification to attack the vessel doing the whaling - it's not against any treaty).

I'm not a fan of whaling, I believe that the indigenous peoples of the north are the only people who have a legitimate right to hunt and harvest whales but, don't hold your breath waiting for me to become a member of Greenpeace any time soon either.

So let's assume the worst case, the Greenpeace ship manages to damage a Japanese ship to the point that it is sinking. Does the Law of the Sea apply? Do the people on the Greenpeace ship have any obligation to retrieve the survivors from the water or should they be left to their own devices because the crew and Skipper of the Greenpeace ship view the Japanese as being worse than criminals?

Reverse the situation and follow the more likely scenario, the Japanese ship out maneuvers the Greenpeace ship but in repeated attempts to ram the Japanese ship the Greenpeace ship suffers catastrophic damage and sinks. I have to believe that Japanese crew and their Skipper would recover every body live or dead that they could and then take them to the nearest port to be prosecuted as the criminals that they are.

They are no longer associated with Greenpeace, Greenpeace disavowed them because they were too radical. The did lose a ship a couple of years ago, it was a go-fast boat the Ady Gil. They were trying to drag a line across the bow of one of the whaling ships in order to foul it's props. They miss timed their attempt and the Ady Gil was struck by the whaler. It was later scuttled. I am not a fan of whaling either, but as of right now the Japanese are not violating any treaties. You can see in the below video the Japanese are "defending" their ships with sound and water cannons. It's the incompetence of the Sea Shepard crews that is amazing. Sometime try and catch it on Animal Planet.
From the Wiki page;

During the days before the collision, the Ady Gil engaged Japanese whaling vessels during their hunt.[38] The crew towed ropes in an attempt to foul the propellers of the Japanese ships and used a spud gun to fire capsules of foul-smelling butyric acid which taints the whale meat the whalers get from their hunts.

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