So much for the 4th and 10 amendments.

13 Mar 2013 17:53 #11 by LadyJazzer

FredHayek wrote: ...to only blame the Republicans for the wars and the Patriot Act you are just lying to yourself and others.


The previously named unconstitutional activities were not part of the Patriot Act that was signed into law in 2001...

But you knew that... (And continue to post fact-free garbage anyway)... But thanks for playing...again....

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13 Mar 2013 17:57 - 23 Jan 2017 13:56 #12 by MountainRoadCrew

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13 Mar 2013 18:00 - 23 Jan 2017 13:56 #13 by Grady

285 Road Crew wrote: Some posts were split out and moved here: mymountaintown.com/forum/29-the-ring/274...ndments-ring-version

And another discussion thread gets trashed by the GOTP did it first crowd. :(:

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13 Mar 2013 18:12 #14 by LadyJazzer
No, actually it was the "The Dems didn't do it, but they were somehow responsible for not repealing or undoing what the GOTP did" crowd... :(:

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13 Mar 2013 18:30 - 23 Jan 2017 13:57 #15 by archer

Grady wrote: They just keep attacking the Constitution don't they?

EXCLUSIVE - U.S. to let spy agencies scour Americans' finances
(Reuters) - The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.

The proposed plan represents a major step by U.S. intelligence agencies to spot and track down terrorist networks and crime syndicates by bringing together financial databanks, criminal records and military intelligence. The plan, which legal experts say is permissible under U.S. law, is nonetheless likely to trigger intense criticism from privacy advocates


Reuters
To all of you who cheered the dismantling of the 2nd amendment your turn is coming.


The data bases are already there....the information exists and has been available to the feds and local authorities, so what's the beef? Their ability to cross reference? I'm sure they can already do that. We started down this slippery slope the minute someone had the idea for a computer.......you cannot close pandora's box. Unless you are willing to go completely off the grid this is our reality.

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13 Mar 2013 18:40 #16 by LadyJazzer

archer wrote: The data bases are already there....the information exists and has been available to the feds and local authorities, so what's the beef? Their ability to cross reference? I'm sure they can already do that. We started down this slippery slope the minute someone had the idea for a computer.......you cannot close pandora's box. Unless you are willing to go completely off the grid this is our reality.


We went even further down the slippery slope when Bush and his war-criminal buddies started using warrantless spying on U.S. citizens in the name of "Terrorist Surveillance" and unconstitutionally broke the 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments.

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13 Mar 2013 18:53 #17 by archer
LJ, I see a difference between using the data bases kept by the banking industry, and investment firms, and even the government....and the intrusion made by the patriot act allowing the eavesdropping and intrusion into private mail/e-mail/electronic correspondence without a warrant. Bush pushed the envelope on what is legitimate information the government can obtain without a warrant, and undoing that will take more than a presidents or the citizens disapproval......but the use of what is available because we agreed to that availability when we opened a bank account, took out a loan, or invested has been going on for quite some time.

......OK, OK, OK, not all the conservatives here....just the most prolific.

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13 Mar 2013 19:31 #18 by Something the Dog Said

FredHayek wrote:

archer wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Only now since there is a Democratic President is it an outrage and an attack on the Constitution.


Please tell me you aren't surprised by this dog, since Obama was first elected he has been responsible for everything going back to the first years of Bush, except of course for killing Bin Laden, of that he has been absolved of any responsibility.

If Obama can't undo anything Dubya did what good is he? For being the chief executive he is pretty weak. And we didn't. Say BHO was responsible for what the GOP and Dems passed together but to only blame the Republicans for the wars and the Patriot Act you are just lying to yourself and others.

Of course you know that the President can not reverse legislation enacted by a previous administration. Only an act of Congress can do that. But then you knew that.

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14 Mar 2013 07:57 #19 by FredHayek

Something the Dog Said wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

archer wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Only now since there is a Democratic President is it an outrage and an attack on the Constitution.


Please tell me you aren't surprised by this dog, since Obama was first elected he has been responsible for everything going back to the first years of Bush, except of course for killing Bin Laden, of that he has been absolved of any responsibility.

If Obama can't undo anything Dubya did what good is he? For being the chief executive he is pretty weak. And we didn't. Say BHO was responsible for what the GOP and Dems passed together but to only blame the Republicans for the wars and the Patriot Act you are just lying to yourself and others.

Of course you know that the President can not reverse legislation enacted by a previous administration. Only an act of Congress can do that. But then you knew that.


Maybe not reverse it, but he can certainly modify it, and even choose to not enforce it, or budget for it. Both Dubya and Barack have done that. Not defending Clinton's DOMA is an example of it.

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