State Department - possible cover-ups, halted investigations

KodiakJack wrote:

OmniScience wrote: How many times have I said it on this board?

IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL........... (Ted Flynn was right)

As sure as night follows day........Big government = big problems. Huge over-reaches in the name of safety and security have brought an end to individual privacy.

I agree there is a control problem here but not necessarily due to bad intent - I think it's the same way a parent wants to protect a child. Politicians seem to think they have all the answers and if they think something is good for us, it's more important to fix a problem than it is to be transparent about the methods - even if those methods invade privacy. What worries me is the fact that the president doesn't seem to know what's going on around him in many cases until he sees it in the news. That's when you know government has gotten to big and out of control. If government agencies start heading in their own chosen directions without leadership from the top, it won't end well for us.

You're missing the whole point... the chosen direction of the our kleptocratic government is gaining power and monetary value for itself. The White House, the two branches of the Senate, the government agencies, the various departments and various civil employees exists as a separate "country" beyond our reach. It's an exclusive club, and your only purpose is to keep the place neat and tidy, don't rock the boat and continue to send them money... otherwise you don't figure into their plans, the future.... except as an actor in this Potemkin village we call the United States.

Science Chic wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: As much as I appreciate the support above... what I feel (what...? Conservatives don't "feel") is the most important of my points is the fact I really believe there is NOTHING we can do about it at the present moment. I feel (there's that word again) that the best we can do is take care of ourselves, finding our "comfort zone" and wait for it to crumble from within.

Instead of trying to "close that Pandora's box," I think I'll spend the rest of my days listening to Pandora.

I'm not willing to give up yet. I think we can still effect change.

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HOW would you begin to effect change?......the core of our government is corrupt and NOT being held accountable....the word
ETHICAL is NON existent within it's structure...JMO

homeagain wrote:

Science Chic wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: As much as I appreciate the support above... what I feel (what...? Conservatives don't "feel") is the most important of my points is the fact I really believe there is NOTHING we can do about it at the present moment. I feel (there's that word again) that the best we can do is take care of ourselves, finding our "comfort zone" and wait for it to crumble from within.

Instead of trying to "close that Pandora's box," I think I'll spend the rest of my days listening to Pandora.

I'm not willing to give up yet. I think we can still effect change.

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HOW would you begin to effect change?......the core of our government is corrupt and NOT being held accountable....the word
ETHICAL is NON existent within it's structure...JMO

But the other problem is that it's going to get harder for people in government to come forward as whistle blowers for fear of losing their job or worse being prosecuted. I'll bet there are many people who want to speak up but don't want to lose everything they worked for including their freedom.

Science Chic wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: As much as I appreciate the support above... what I feel (what...? Conservatives don't "feel") is the most important of my points is the fact I really believe there is NOTHING we can do about it at the present moment. I feel (there's that word again) that the best we can do is take care of ourselves, finding our "comfort zone" and wait for it to crumble from within.

Instead of trying to "close that Pandora's box," I think I'll spend the rest of my days listening to Pandora.

I'm not willing to give up yet. I think we can still effect change.

How?

KodiakJack wrote:

homeagain wrote:

Science Chic wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: As much as I appreciate the support above... what I feel (what...? Conservatives don't "feel") is the most important of my points is the fact I really believe there is NOTHING we can do about it at the present moment. I feel (there's that word again) that the best we can do is take care of ourselves, finding our "comfort zone" and wait for it to crumble from within.

Instead of trying to "close that Pandora's box," I think I'll spend the rest of my days listening to Pandora.

I'm not willing to give up yet. I think we can still effect change.

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HOW would you begin to effect change?......the core of our government is corrupt and NOT being held accountable....the word
ETHICAL is NON existent within it's structure...JMO

But the other problem is that it's going to get harder for people in government to come forward as whistle blowers for fear of losing their job or worse being prosecuted. I'll bet there are many people who want to speak up but don't want to lose everything they worked for including their freedom.

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It's called COURAGE......(and a deeply held BELIEF that "your life begins to end, the moment you are SILENT about things that
matter")...JMO

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/09/8 ... -break-in/ THE definition
of COURAGE.......

KodiakJack wrote: But the other problem is that it's going to get harder for people in government to come forward as whistle blowers for fear of losing their job or worse being prosecuted. I'll bet there are many people who want to speak up but don't want to lose everything they worked for including their freedom.

Which brings me back to precisely what I said before "Because while we weren't looking... they put a impenetrable system in place... and it's not ours to take back anymore."

deltamrey wrote: Seems our honorable Senator Udall, admitted he had full knowledge of the NSA ACTIVITIES.....BUT COULD NOT DIVULGE THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL INTRUSIONS BECAUSE OF "NATIONAL SECURITY"......what ??......what ??......LAST TIME I CHECKED HE SWORE TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND NOT POLICE STATE "LAWS"......HITLER AND STALIN (AND PUTIN) HAD (HAVE) LOTS OF JUDGES AND PROSECUTORS THAT IMPLEMENT "LAWS"......We the citizens depend on our elected Congressmen to protect us......He failed.


.UDALL SHOULD RESIGN.

Oooo... "Hitler" and "Stalin" in the same sentence!... That's a DOUBLE-WORD SCORE!!!

They weren't "unconstitutional"... They were approved by CONGRESS--(after THIRTEEN (13) BRIEFINGS), and approved by FISA Courts and FEDERAL JUDGES... But rave on...

I hate to see a good teabagger rant go to waste....

LadyJazzer wrote:

deltamrey wrote: Seems our honorable Senator Udall, admitted he had full knowledge of the NSA ACTIVITIES.....BUT COULD NOT DIVULGE THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL INTRUSIONS BECAUSE OF "NATIONAL SECURITY"......what ??......what ??......LAST TIME I CHECKED HE SWORE TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND NOT POLICE STATE "LAWS"......HITLER AND STALIN (AND PUTIN) HAD (HAVE) LOTS OF JUDGES AND PROSECUTORS THAT IMPLEMENT "LAWS"......We the citizens depend on our elected Congressmen to protect us......He failed.


.UDALL SHOULD RESIGN.

Oooo... "Hitler" and "Stalin" in the same sentence!... That's a DOUBLE-WORD SCORE!!!

They weren't "unconstitutional"... They were approved by CONGRESS--(after THIRTEEN (13) BRIEFINGS), and approved by FISA Courts and FEDERAL JUDGES... But rave on...

I hate to see a good teabagger rant go to waste....

:pop If this was Bush would you be following along so meekly? Lookie here LJ supporting the Patriot Act.