How the NRA built massive secret database of gun owners

Well it's nice of you to abandon your lies once they are exposed and attempt to change the subject, but I don't think you should get off that easy given the fraud you attempted to pass off as factual earlier in the thread.

The list the NRA has says who owns guns or who supports the right to keep and bear arms. It doesn't contain how many guns each person owns or what guns they own. A "universal" background check, along wih federal law which requires a federally licensed gun dealer, which anyone who wishes to be a gun dealer must possess, does exactly that. That list could be compiled by Homeland Security, they are not part of the Dept of Justice. It could be compiled by HHS because they are not the Department of Justice either. Department of Commerce could compile the list, they aren't the Department of Justice either. And then, of course, comes the loophole in the bill you mentioned earlier. The Department of Justice could request that the list compiled by one of these other cabinet level departments be shared with them without violating the language contained in the bill. As a matter of record, the president's executive order essentially demands that such information be shared between departments in the effor to reduce "gun violence" like the 71 year old man who shot and killed an escaped convict who held the man and his wife hostage for over 4 hours before being shot and killed. Think that name will make it to the list of "gun violence victims" that is recited at Bloomberg's next anti-gun rally like the Boston Marathon Bomber's name did? I'm betting it does.

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Get off your high horse. Since the NRA won't let anyone see the list (which they admit also includes the names of people who attended gun safety classes), it's impossible for me disprove your statement that the list doesn't contain how many guns. I'm not sure how they'd know, but as long as there's a centralized list of gun owners somewhere, that's really all that matters.

And that's the difference between a private entity compiling a generic marketing list and one head of the federal hydra using the force of law to compile very specific and detailed list which is then made available to the rest of the heads on the hydra. One is rather benign, the other not so much. I have never purchased a firearm from a dealer. The government may indeed know I own at least one gun, I do hunt after all and I need a license from the State of Colorado for that activity, but that is currently the extent of the knowledge base that either entity has on me. How many firearms I own, what type, what caliber, all of the specifics are known only to me and those who I have decided to share that information with. This is my business, not yours, nor any of my neighbors, nor any branch of any level of government. I like it that way and plan on making sure that it remains that way in my life. Have the tanks roll up to my home. How are they going to know that they got all the arms I possess if they have no idea what that number is? How can they be certain that they have taken all of them? They can't, because they don't have the information they need to be certain, and that's the way it ought to stay.

"a private entity compiling a generic marketing list" will sell that list for the right price to anyone willing to pay it.

And your point is what? That one marketer might sell my name to someone else who produces a good or service I might be interested in purchasing? That happens everywhere, every day, billions, if not trillions, of times each and every day. A list of those who consume goods and services associated with the ownership of arms isn't any different from a list of who consumes ice cream that the grocery store is using to market ice cream to those consumers.

For the sake of the discussion, let us say that one day a tank does come up to my door and a demand is made of me that I surrender all of my arms. How are they going to know that I surrendered all of them if they have absolutely no clue as to what I own? A marketing list isn't going to tell anyone what I own or how many I own. A list compiled from the official "universal background check" rolls is going to provide that information, at which point those in the tank will know precisely how many guns they are looking for. Clearly you can see that difference, can't you fish? Not only that, but it is most likely that it will be a tank sent by the US government to confiscate my arms with the list that their laws created in hand to make sure that all of them are surrendered. How are they going to get that information from the list the NRA has compiled? That answer is as plain as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face, they aren't going to get that information from the NRA's list because the NRA's list can't possibly have that information. Only the list kept by the government will have it. Oh, one other point. Don't tell me that there isn't a backup of the approvals kept by the government in this day and age when every bit of data is backed up in case of a computer crash of one sort or another. No one with an IQ above room temperature would believe that no such backup exists.

Totally missed the point and not worth the key strokes to explain it to you.

Yup. That list would be worth a ton of money to some people. I'd be surprised if someone hasn't attempted to copy it for possible resale.

No, the point is that, yet again, the OP is intentionally attempting to conflate two things which are not anything approaching equivalence in a deliberate attempt to mislead and distort for the sole purpose of forwarding an agenda. A marketing list and an offical government registry of every gun purchased are not anywhere close to being the same thing and he knows it. He also knows that he was lying when he said that the Manchin-Toomey bill specifically prohibited the federal government from compiling such a list. That bill prohibited one department of the federal government from compiling such a list, but it didn't prohibit the federal government from compiling such a list, nor did it even prohibit that one department of the federal government from possesing such a list that had been compiled by another department of the federal government. One can lie and distort to their heart's content, but the serial repetition of the same lie will never fundamentally transform it into the truth.

The objection raised by those who support the 2nd Amendment is not a list of who owns guns being in the hands of the government, never has been, despite the lie that the OP is attempting to pass off here. No, what the objection is, and always has been, is a specific knowledge of what guns are owned and how many guns are owned being in the hands of the government. That is the list that the laws enacted by the various levels of government allow to be created and it is that list which is so vehemently opposed. It works out better for everyone when deliberate deception for political purposes isn't employed, but that generally gets in the way of the "progressive" practice of the ends justifying any means to achieve them.