Student has access to illegal assult weapon shoots up school

Reasoned debate begins from the standpoint that all agree life is not a safe activity and that people are going to die in a variety of sometimes tragic ways. Reasoned debate starts with the understanding that living in freedom is the most dangerous way to live. Reasoned debate understands that having guns in a society means that they will occasionally be miused by someone who doesn't understand that their freedom to act as they choose doesn't include the freedom to violate the rights of others.

The left's interpretation of reason as applied to firearms is to make it as difficult as possible to own them or get rid of them entirely. In two days we have had two teachers killed. One with a gun, the other with a knife. In both instances a tool in the hands of a child was misused. Think the parents of the child who killed with the knife are looking at charges of failing to secure a deadly weapon the way the parents with the child who killed using a gun are? Explain to me the "reasoning" at work there Brandon. What is the difference other than the left wishes to villify and demagogue the ownership of firearms.

At this juncture in time I am RELIEVED and thankful I do NOT have grandchildren......the
school shootings are a DAILY occurrence thruout this nation and I would probably encourage
my adult children to home school.......do NOT trust academia to protect my own. (IF I had
children)......we,as a nation, are becoming accustom to these reports and Deadened to the
horror.....there is a decided choice and it is NOT being made. Gabby Gifford's efforts are NOT
out of line and for this nation to turn their backs and hold "right to bear arms" as a god-given
mantra/outcry is despicable and unfathomable stance. JMO......there is a compromise/middle
of the road deal that is required......Gabby Giffords' stance is the "middle".....JMO

HA,
This is all about the 24 hour press coverage, children are less likely to die in school these days than before, it is just these days, it gets so much more press. Before CNN and cable news, a teacher death would have been a page 12 story.

homeagain wrote: At this juncture in time I am RELIEVED and thankful I do NOT have grandchildren......the
school shootings are a DAILY occurrence thruout this nation and I would probably encourage
my adult children to home school.......do NOT trust academia to protect my own. (IF I had
children)......we,as a nation, are becoming accustom to these reports and Deadened to the
horror.....there is a decided choice and it is NOT being made. Gabby Gifford's efforts are NOT
out of line and for this nation to turn their backs and hold "right to bear arms" as a god-given
mantra/outcry is despicable and unfathomable stance. JMO......there is a compromise/middle
of the road deal that is required......Gabby Giffords' stance is the "middle".....JMO

School shootings may be more common, but you do realize how far down on the list of dangers, even for kids, there are out there or that their parents subject them to.

Every 112 minutes or so a car is hit by a train in the US.

To make any logical argument, we would have to address 99% of train accidents long before we take any action about school shootings.

Shootings would have to be almost hourly before it was more dangerous to be in school vs. driving there. Let's be realistic.

People just don't like guns killing people, they prefer well designed accidents. Those that die at the hand of a gun are considered more valuable or special than those that don't. Thus we invest far more and make folks sacrifice far more to save one from a gun shooting, we would prefer to do that than save 1000 from car deaths, they are just ok, the way things go.

While generally I agree, I would never send my kids into one of those places for care or education, I certainly is not because I think they will get shot, it is because someone might teach them stupid stuff....for example, they might get taught that we need to put students on lock down because a few dozen people died this year - an insignificantly small portion of the population. They may get taught a logic that even encourages them to send their kids to the same place. This cycle is lethal, literally, because it teaches people to ignore real dangers for dangers the govt can make money from and hire more people using. There is no political traction to just saving lives, you need to save marketable lives, kids shot are marketable, starving kids and kids run down are no longer as marketable, so they are simply less valuable in our society. Schools teach this through their policies let alone words.

So I call BS on getting worked up on this. Again. There is simply a tractor trailer load of fish waiting to be fried first.

Brandon wrote:

FredHayek wrote: children are less likely to die in school these days than before

Link, 'tard.

www.fbi.gov
They collect the crime statistics for America. Check it out, you might learn something, since the 1960's violent crime has been on a general downward trend.
:graduate:

Do they break out how likely children are to die in school these days than before, or are you continuing to talk out of your ass?

On that Note.....while I agree with your assessment,it STILL becomes painful apparent that our
(America) society is doing something WRONG......these hideous incidents are NOT occuring
on a regular basis in other leading economies(THIRD world countries are another issue).....I
find the proliferation of guns(hi-powered variety) to be an oddity.....I am NOT speaking of the
"rural/western" lifestyle,ranchers farmers and hunters who bring home meat for their families....
(I have roots in ranching in Colorado)...it's the other factor.....the almost rabid and raving NRA
mantra AND the lack of intelligent processes in place that would SCREEN (with more efficiency)the segment of the populace that is unstable and borderline......I do NOT have the
answers or what magic solution would stop this.....I just KNOW,in the deepest part of my mind
and soul, we,as a nation,are "looking the other way" and saying "what can you do, it is what it
is".......there is a BETTER WAY.....it just has to be a priority. JMO

The better way would be to train parents. They are lagging in their responsibilities. How much you want to bet that they had no idea that 'little johnny' was going to do something like this when all the signals were there but they ignored it.

So they don't give the name of the boy to protect the rest of the family. What kind of milarchy is that?

Brandon wrote: Do they break out how likely children are to die in school these days than before, or are you continuing to talk out of your ass?

I provided a source and you didn't use it? Not surprised.
lol

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