The Media’s Obama Protection Society

ZHawke wrote:

PrintSmith wrote: As for Ferguson, if a majority of black people are governed by a majority of white people it is either because a majority of black people voted for those white people to govern them or they didn't care to have a say in who governed them. So if there is simmering unrest in that community it isn't because a remedy hasn't, or doesn't, exist, it's because those supposed victims haven't cared to address it and effect a change in how they are governed.

Supposition and conjecture on your part. The truth is the demographic makeup of Ferguson is thus (taken from Census.gov):

Population by Race

White 6,206
African American 14,297
Asian 103
American Indian and Alaska Native 80
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 4
Other 92
Identified by two or more 421

At first glance, the census data would appear to support your supposition. However, upon closer examination, one finds the demographics of the Ferguson Police do not represent the demographics of Ferguson, itself. Look it up. Furthermore, Police Department personnel are not "elected" to their positions.

On that note, I'm outta here to work outside. Too nice not to.

But what such a "closer" examination fails to illuminate is why the demographics of the police department don't represent the demographics of the town. The "progressive" supposition and conjecture is that this is due to discriminatory policies of the Ferguson PD while lacking any reasoned basis upon which to hang this hat.

"The old saying is that “figures will not lie,” but a new saying is “liars will figure.” It is our duty, as practical statisticians, to prevent the liar from figuring; in other words, to prevent him from perverting the truth, in the interest of some theory he wishes to establish." Carrol D Wright - 1889

OmniScience wrote: What's out of context? I'm just trying to understand your third comment. Because I'm white I'm being a racist (or exhibiting 'reverse racism') if I suggest a minority, or group like the NBPP has a racist position?

Likewise, I'm trying to understand how anyone of a "white" persuasion can possibly think they are being accused of being a racist if someone else goes in the direction I went with it. As has been so succinctly pointed out by PrintSmith, racism exists everywhere and in every group dynamic. I never said anything less than that. The focus of this discussion, however, is on racism in this country, and specifically on how some perceive President Obama as being protected by the media while also accusing him of being the most racist President in U.S. History.

Let's conflate a bit here. You stated that, and I quote:

Because I'm white I'm being a racist (or exhibiting 'reverse racism') if I suggest a minority, or group like the NBPP has a racist position?

We see this all the time - people saying "I'm not racist", and turning right around and getting defensive about it and going to suggesting the groups in question are a minority and they have racism too. Sort of like the argument put forward by so many regarding Obama vis a vis Bush. Or the War on Christianity. Or the War on Women. For those who arguably do not have to "worry" about some of these things (some might call it "white privilege"), it's awfully easy to fall into this kind of perspective.

The only point I've been trying to make with all of this is that racism does, in fact, exist. To base one's perceptions regarding race baiting, reverse racism, or plain old racism (we can call it a frog for all I care, it doesn't change what it is) on saying "well, they do it, too", doesn't address the underlying issue of racism, itself from my perspective.

PrintSmith wrote: But what such a "closer" examination fails to illuminate is why the demographics of the police department don't represent the demographics of the town. The "progressive" supposition and conjecture is that this is due to discriminatory policies of the Ferguson PD while lacking any reasoned basis upon which to hang this hat.

"The old saying is that “figures will not lie,” but a new saying is “liars will figure.” It is our duty, as practical statisticians, to prevent the liar from figuring; in other words, to prevent him from perverting the truth, in the interest of some theory he wishes to establish." Carrol D Wright - 1889

Does not change the fact the Ferguson PD does not represent the demographics of Ferguson, MO. Blanket statements, such as yours, that include a slam at "progressive" thinking is really all you have? You also made pretty heavy handed assertions that the cop is innocent without data that support that claim. The truth is, the cop involved in this incident hasn't even been charged with anything yet, that I'm aware of. And yet, you've already exonerated him beyond any shadow of a doubt thereby sidestepping the investigation entirely. That a demographic doesn't mesh doesn't mean the policies are necessarily discriminatory either, although many do presume it to be so. But then, presumption is no better than supposition on guilt and/or innocence.

ZHawke wrote: The only point I've been trying to make with all of this is that racism does, in fact, exist. To base one's perceptions regarding race baiting, reverse racism, or plain old racism (we can call it a frog for all I care, it doesn't change what it is) on saying "well, they do it, too", doesn't address the underlying issue of racism, itself from my perspective.

Of course it does, in fact, exist Z. I has always, in fact, existed and always will, in fact, exist. That's not a point that needs to be made, it's something that any reasoned person accepts on its face. Are you really trying to get us to believe that the only point you are trying to make is a point that hardly anyone disputes? That, my friend, doesn't make sense. And, as a famous judge likes to say, if it doesn't make sense it isn't true.

PrintSmith wrote: Of course it does, in fact, exist Z. I has always, in fact, existed and always will, in fact, exist. That's not a point that needs to be made, it's something that any reasoned person accepts on its face. Are you really trying to get us to believe that the only point you are trying to make is a point that hardly anyone disputes? That, my friend, doesn't make sense. And, as a famous judge likes to say, if it doesn't make sense it isn't true.

Oh, for crying out loud, PrintSmith. You would actually, with a straight face no less, have us believe you haven't paid any attention whatsoever to the posts in this thread? And, you would actually, with a straight face no less, have us believe your attempts to distract and deflect aren't being noticed? You've become a master of illusion in that regard - a legend in your own mind. That others quite possibly haven't seen it goes to your masterful manipulations.

I do not care who you are, I think that you should think this is funny.

"Michelle To Black Voters: Just Vote Democrat, Then Celebrate With Fried Chicken 7:31 AM 11/04/2014 Derek Hunter dailycaller.com[VIDEO]
7:31 AM 11/04/2014

Derek Hunter
dailycaller.com

Nice one Michelle, way to dumb it down for your peeps.

BlazerBob wrote: I do not care who you are, I think that you should think this is funny.

"Michelle To Black Voters: Just Vote Democrat, Then Celebrate With Fried Chicken 7:31 AM 11/04/2014 Derek Hunter dailycaller.com[/quote] I agree - it is funny. Both the First Lady and the guy doing the interview, Roland Martin, are laughing all the way through it. If you can't laugh at yourself, what can you laugh at? And that's what they appear to me to be doing. Thanks for sharing, BlazerBob.[VIDEO]
7:31 AM 11/04/2014

Derek Hunter
dailycaller.com

I agree - it is funny. Both the First Lady and the guy doing the interview, Roland Martin, are laughing all the way through it. If you can't laugh at yourself, what can you laugh at? And that's what they appear to me to be doing.

Thanks for sharing, BlazerBob.

ZHawke wrote: The only point I've been trying to make with all of this is that racism does, in fact, exist.

You could have made that "only point" in one paragraph. Yes, racism does exist. In all colors. In all nations. No argument here.

But PS is spot on; there is no such thing as "Reverse Racism".

OmniScience wrote: You could have made that "only point" in one paragraph.

Thanks.