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RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote: Where is the option to balance the budget by adding new revenue to the equation?

We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. We can't tax ourselves into budget. We have to quit assuming that every year more $$ must be spent, or else it is considered a "cut". My budget doesn't work like that. Why should the govt.?

CJ is right on. Spending and government waste account for our fiscal problems.

Just look at the IRS. They paid out almost $4 Billion in false claims in 2013, and over $5 billion the year before, and that's just waste within the IRS alone.....

Archer, we don't need more taxes, we need accountability and resonsibility.

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RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote: Where is the option to balance the budget by adding new revenue to the equation?

We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. We can't tax ourselves into budget. We have to quit assuming that every year more $$ must be spent, or else it is considered a "cut". My budget doesn't work like that. Why should the govt.?

Most any family will tell you that when you get too deep in debt the best way to get out of debt is to cut your spending AND increase your income......Republicans want to just cut our way to a balanced budget (preferably on the backs of seniors, the disabled, and the poor) Democrats want to take more money from the wealthier Americans and use it to limit how much we have to cut from services for those the republicans have decided can do without. Put these two sides together rather than making it an either/or, and maybe we can actually balance a budget and bring down our debt. Without setting our country back 50 years in how we treat the poor, the elderly, and the sick/disabled.

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RenegadeCJ wrote:

archer wrote: Where is the option to balance the budget by adding new revenue to the equation?

We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. We can't tax ourselves into budget. We have to quit assuming that every year more $$ must be spent, or else it is considered a "cut". My budget doesn't work like that. Why should the govt.?

Most any family will tell you that when you get too deep in debt the best way to get out of debt is to cut your spending AND increase your income......Republicans want to just cut our way to a balanced budget (preferably on the backs of seniors, the disabled, and the poor) Democrats want to take more money from the wealthier Americans and use it to limit how much we have to cut from services for those the republicans have decided can do without. Put these two sides together rather than making it an either/or, and maybe we can actually balance a budget and bring down our debt. Without setting our country back 50 years in how we treat the poor, the elderly, and the sick/disabled.

Well... that scenario has already been played out and died. There have been a number of revenue increasing measure that the Dems and the White House has offered, and with the explicit instructions that there will be no concessions on cuts, no cuts or he'll veto it.

Ya got another plan?

Actually both sides are choosing the plan to keep taxes low and keep spending high. And let the next generation pay for it. Seems to do a good job getting them re-elected.

archer wrote: Most any family will tell you that when you get too deep in debt the best way to get out of debt is to cut your spending AND increase your income..

The difference you forgot to mention is that families don't have limitless credit like the government, and they can't get the extra income from the backs of other people or from the businesses that hire those people. Families live in the real world where budgets matter and frivolous spending leads to bankruptcy. When a family wants more money, it has to work for that money, but the government creates ZERO wealth on it's own.

Good point Rick, what Archer is actually saying, if you don't have enough money for the house budget, threaten your neighbors with guns and locking them up in your basement until the budget balances.
Brilliant solution, don't have enough? Don't decrease spending, increase your own stealing.

Reverend Revelant wrote: Ya got another plan?

No, RR. The Dems have one plan and only one plan. Tax and Spend. That's it. When they increase "revenues" they always just spend more. Forget about waste or responsibility, just spend and tax.

Good point FH. Continue stealing from the American people until they cry uncle. The government wastes so much money and here we have Congress trying to figure out ways how to get more. Stop the spending and waste.

FredHayek wrote: Good point Rick, what Archer is actually saying, if you don't have enough money for the house budget, threaten your neighbors with guns and locking them up in your basement until the budget balances.
Brilliant solution, don't have enough? Don't decrease spending, increase your own stealing.

Neither you nor Rick have a clue what I'm saying because you can't see beyond your own bias. Any good financial planner or CPA will explain the two sides of the ledger to you, and how to balance a budget by balancing BOTH sides of the ledger. The family can increase revenue with a 2nd job, our getting the education for a better job, but all you can see are the absurd examples meant to insult and demean a poster, me, and not actually discuss the issue.

Not sure why anyone bothers to try and have a conversation here.

archer wrote: Most any family will tell you that when you get too deep in debt the best way to get out of debt is to cut your spending AND increase your income......Republicans want to just cut our way to a balanced budget (preferably on the backs of seniors, the disabled, and the poor) Democrats want to take more money from the wealthier Americans and use it to limit how much we have to cut from services for those the republicans have decided can do without. Put these two sides together rather than making it an either/or, and maybe we can actually balance a budget and bring down our debt. Without setting our country back 50 years in how we treat the poor, the elderly, and the sick/disabled.

Archer's right....as usual.


"We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem"

"Tax and Spend..."

(Insert standard Margaret Thatcher bumper-sticker quote here: __)

What?..Is this national GOTP Cliche Day?