RIP Robin Williams dead at 63-Courthouse

Something the Dog Said wrote: Yet another Printsmith attack on another poster when he is totally incapable of providing a rational fact based response. Typical. But is to be expected. Are you able to respond to the differences between being merely depressed based on environmental conditions and the medical condition of severe depression, particularly the possible symptom of severe depression of detachment from loved ones? Or that severe depression is a medical condition, that suicide may not be a "selfish choice" from those suffering from it, but a symptom from that serious condition.
I regret that you have chosen to go off topic in your nonsensical personal attack, likely forcing this serious matter into the courthouse.

Your response would be entertaining if it wasn't so sad. You were the one who decided to make the first attack Dog, I simply noted that your illogical, irrational actions towards me as an individual were, as always, off the mark and had more to do with your ideological opposition to me than anything I said.

To whit:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Too many individuals, such as Printsmith, fail to understand the difference with merely being depressed and the medical condition of depression. Being merely depressed over your instant situation, as Printsmith described having "suffered", is quite different from the medical condition of severe depression as Mr. Williams had apparently been diagnosed by medical professionals. Severe depression does not necessarily occur from environmental conditions or life events but may be exacerbated by such conditions. Printsmith obviously does not understand that depression may be caused by such conditions as biological disorders, chemical disorders in the brain, hormonal imbalances, genetic traits and other unknown factors. It does not render itself necessarily to a "choice" anymore than cancer, heart disease or other medical conditions does. One of the potential symptoms of severe depression is detachment from your loved ones. Whether or not this was one of the symptoms that Mr. Williams suffered will never be none, but clearly to claim that his suicide was a "selfish choice" simply illustrates a failure to understand depression and the effect it has upon those who suffer from it.

So answer some questions Dog, prove that your response wasn't a personal attack. You noted that mine was an "instant situation", so tell me over what period of time I am referring to? Under whose care was I during this period of time? Am I the only member of my family, both immediate and extended, to have been treated? If not, how many of my siblings, parents, aunts, uncles and first cousins have also been treated?

So you see Dog, I was 100% correct in my response to you. Yet again the only thing you demonstrate is just how ignorant your emotional outbursts show you to be.

homeagain wrote: PREDISPOSED genetics.....for SEVERE Depression/suicidal tendencies....is the issue here. PS your
response makes NO sense....cancer is a genetic marker within families, so is SEVERE depression. Your
gracelessness is despicable. JMO...(if you will NOT use the link I provided, then do the RESEARCH,as
this factor was brought forward in 2013..

Your presumptions regarding me are what is senseless and despicable home. You presume that those who think differently from you are ignorant without any rational basis for that presumption. I tell you, again, I am well familiar with depression. I am well familiar with genetic markers for it. Not all who have the genetic marker, or a predisposition, abandon their obligations and commit suicide. Many of them never experience any symptoms of it. Many who do go on to lead healthy and productive lives. All of this you ignore in your attempts to demonstrate how much smarter you are than anyone else in the room on this particular subject. Do yourself a favor home, don't presume that others are ignorant simply because they disagree with you.

homeagain wrote: So NOW that we know a small sense of why...the question I would like to ask is this..In KNOWING the timing
of your demise, would you join "The Hemlock Society"? Would you enlist their assistance in CONTROLLING your fate?

Indeed - as more comes out, it becomes more apparent that he was cognizant of what he was doing rather than making a choice between a fire and a leap from a high rise.

But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't join "The Hemlock Society" and abandon my obligations because I didn't like the look of the road ahead of me that I had to travel.

There is ALWAYS two sides to a story...perhaps NOT leaving your family in financial/mental/physical
stress thru a long and extended illness (ultimately ending in death) is a MORE thoughtful and kinder decision. The Hemlock Society provides that service. Ultimately it is a VERY personal choice and one that is not taken lightly.

Since I have TWO close relatives who "opted out"...(but did NOT utilize Hemlock) I am KEENLY aware of this issue.

The TRULY DESPICABLE side of this story is the trashing of a human being on social media...TWITTER account of the daughter was inundated with insulting and thoughtless entries about her father's death....I find YOUR comments to be questionable at best.

PrintSmith wrote: Since I never wrote that, would you like to ask a question regarding what I did write?

You said "chosen others over self." The converse of that is "selfish." I can read. I understand English. Squirm, squirm, squirm.

That one chooses not to act in a selfless manner doesn't by extension mean they have acted in a selfish one Rev. It simply means that they have not acted in a selfless manner. Now it may be that Williams did act in a selfish manner - but I'm not in any kind of position to make that call. Only Williams and his Creator know what was in his heart when he took his own life.

I'm glad that you can read, glad that you understand English. Now all you need to work on is your comprehension skills . . .

You already made that call, and all your word parsing and slicing and dicing will not change the clear meaning that you conveyed. And I think there is a consensus on what you did or didn't say.

homeagain wrote: There is ALWAYS two sides to a story...perhaps NOT leaving your family in financial/mental/physical stress thru a long and extended illness (ultimately ending in death) is a MORE thoughtful and kinder decision. The Hemlock Society provides that service. Ultimately it is a VERY personal choice and one that is not taken lightly.

Since I have TWO close relatives who "opted out"...(but did NOT utilize Hemlock) I am KEENLY aware of this issue.

And if indeed the choice is made so as to not deplete family fortunes, then one should have that discussion with their family and say goodbye to them prior to destroying their life. Had Williams done this then I wouldn't say that he had failed in his obligations to his wife and children because they would have been included, not excluded, from the process. But that isn't what he did, is it home.

Reverend Revelant wrote: You already made that call, and all your word parsing and slicing and dicing will not change the clear meaning that you conveyed. And I think there is a consensus on what you did or didn't say.

No, the call that I made was that having chosen to be a husband and father he had an obligation to conduct himself in a selfless manner towards his wife and children, an obligation he failed to uphold.

Failing to act in a selfless manner does not mean one acted in a selfish one. I know you want there to be only two choices in an effort to buttress your premise, but the reality of the situation is that there are far more than two alternatives here. Setting up a false dilemma in such a manner only renders your arguments invalid Rev. Sorry, but that's the truth of the matter.

PrintSmith wrote:

homeagain wrote: There is ALWAYS two sides to a story...perhaps NOT leaving your family in financial/mental/physical stress thru a long and extended illness (ultimately ending in death) is a MORE thoughtful and kinder decision. The Hemlock Society provides that service. Ultimately it is a VERY personal choice and one that is not taken lightly.

Since I have TWO close relatives who "opted out"...(but did NOT utilize Hemlock) I am KEENLY aware of this issue.

And if indeed the choice is made so as to not deplete family fortunes, then one should have that discussion with their family and say goodbye to them prior to destroying their life. Had Williams done this then I wouldn't say that he had failed in his obligations to his wife and children because they would have been included, not excluded, from the process. But that isn't what he did, is it home.

AGAIN.....ADDITIONAL information comes forward (per NYTIMES)....Robin was in a"treatment curve" for the
disease...meaning,doctors were ADJUSTING MEDS for Parkinson's....he was given a "cocktail" of meds
that had the potential to exacerbate his ALREADY critical depressive state....PLEASE PS....STOP this Unrelenting and ugly "judgement" of this kind,gentle human....doctors will throw sh** against the wall
just to see what will "stick" and sometimes the end result is NOT pretty. JMO