Obama's Final Two Years

08 Nov 2014 11:17 #51 by PrintSmith
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Those who don't vote don't care who represents them, they are not interested in being represented, which is why they don't vote. For those who believe it is very important they make certain that their voice, via their ballot, is heard.

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08 Nov 2014 11:22 #52 by Blazer Bob
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That was lame when Nixon used it and every liberal knew it at the time.

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08 Nov 2014 11:53 #53 by ZHawke
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PrintSmith wrote: Those who don't vote don't care who represents them, they are not interested in being represented, which is why they don't vote. For those who believe it is very important they make certain that their voice, via their ballot, is heard.


I respectfully disagree with this assertion. Some, yes. All, no.

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08 Nov 2014 11:54 #54 by ZHawke
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BlazerBob wrote: That was lame when Nixon used it and every liberal knew it at the time.


Are you talking about Nixon's reference to the "Silent Majority"? Just asking.

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08 Nov 2014 12:20 #55 by Blazer Bob
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ZHawke wrote:

BlazerBob wrote: That was lame when Nixon used it and every liberal knew it at the time.


Are you talking about Nixon's reference to the "Silent Majority"? Just asking.


Of course.

PS

Be careful what you wish for. What if all those non-voters don't like liberals?

thezman.com/wordpress/?p=3172

"a fringe party based in a few coastal cities"

"..."Finally, and this is for the optimists, this may signal the end of the Left as we know it. In the 60’s and 70’s, Liberalism ate itself. In 1980 Reagan ran against Liberalism. He turned it into an epithet. The Cult did not fold up; they simply hid out in the Democratic Party, which still had loads of normals and even a fair chunk of conservatives. Mass media was dominated by Liberals willing to run interference for their coreligionists in office. Liberal pols could talk one way at home, but be pure moonbat in DC and no one was the wiser.

That’s not what we see today.
'...

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08 Nov 2014 12:24 #56 by Blazer Bob
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Totaly OT. Not familiar with the Zman linked in my last post so I took a peak. I read the below and thought Mark Twain would be proud. Dont know if it is because of the style or content.

"When I was a young man, I used to hear old people say something along the lines that young people would listen to each other, but never to those older than them. The sign a young man was maturing was when he sought out the advice of older people. This always seemed strange to me. I knew young people were idiots, including myself. Taking advice from any of them seemed like idiocy to me. I was young and dumb, but not that dumb. If I needed help, I went and found an old guy.

As I’ve grown older, I’ve learned that I was way dumber than I realized in my youth. While I was right to seek out information from older people, I was not very good at figuring out which old people were worth consulting. That comes with age and experience. As you get older, you acquire your own knowledge, but you also get better at figuring out who is worth listening to or reading. Number one on the list of people you ignore is young people. God bless ‘em, but they don’t know anything and they don’t know anyone who knows anything.

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08 Nov 2014 13:09 #57 by ZHawke
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BlazerBob wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

BlazerBob wrote: That was lame when Nixon used it and every liberal knew it at the time.


Are you talking about Nixon's reference to the "Silent Majority"? Just asking.


Of course.

PS

Be careful what you wish for. What if all those non-voters don't like liberals?

thezman.com/wordpress/?p=3172

"a fringe party based in a few coastal cities"

"..."Finally, and this is for the optimists, this may signal the end of the Left as we know it. In the 60’s and 70’s, Liberalism ate itself. In 1980 Reagan ran against Liberalism. He turned it into an epithet. The Cult did not fold up; they simply hid out in the Democratic Party, which still had loads of normals and even a fair chunk of conservatives. Mass media was dominated by Liberals willing to run interference for their coreligionists in office. Liberal pols could talk one way at home, but be pure moonbat in DC and no one was the wiser.

That’s not what we see today.
'...


Actually, I'd be ok with that (being careful what I wish for). To me, the privilege of voting is something everyone should exercise, no matter their political affiliation, if any. The fact so many choose to opt out, so to speak, of exercising this privilege is something I'll never understand. If everyone voted, regardless of whether left or right or in-between, we would arguably have the representative constitutional republic we are supposed to have. It might even go a ways toward reducing some of the acrimony surrounding our politics, in general.

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08 Nov 2014 15:11 #58 by ScienceChic
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Photo from Young Americans for Liberty Facebook Page

A friend's posted on their FB Wall a comment about voters going back and forth between putting Republicans in charge and Democrats in charge (with the personal viewpoint that voters finally took 6 years to "hate" the Dems and that the Republicans are going to try to achieve "normalcy"), to which I had to reply with this, and referencing the meme above:

"For decades now we've vacillated between two parties who have both only become more out-of-touch with their constituents, who've become more beholden to those who can pay to keep them getting re-elected, and who've continued to allow this country to slide further in debt, lessen our science superiority, drop in education standings, and keep us at perpetual war somewhere in the world for the sake of feeding the bloated self-defense industry. The public hasn't become disgusted enough to realize that they can start to fix this by disregarding the assumption that voting for a 3rd party candidate is "throwing their vote away b/c a Dem or Rep is going to win anyway" and realizing that voting out incumbents and voting in non-majority party will shift the balance of power. Only when we remove BOTH Dem & Rep as majority parties will anything truly begin to change. The game is too well established at this point to prevent either of the prevailing powers to break out of their current roles as foils to each other and actually get anything effectively accomplished."

In regards to the OP and title of this thread, as I've said already, I expect nothing to change. We'll have wasted time and effort spent on crafting and passing bills that those in Congress know will never pass the White House, rather than trying to come up with viable alternatives that could be debated, compromised upon to build upon strengths from both viewpoints, and something productive actually accomplished. Dems will posture about how Reps have wasted taxpayers time, Reps will bluster how they tried and were blocked at every turn, and nothing will change. Except our lives continue to worsen, the economy won't improve, the gap between those who have and have not will continue to widen, causing people to become angrier and more desperate, climate change will continue unmitigated, and energy costs and disaster recovery costs will continue to rise. We're broke and we're not trying to fix it, we're still pointing fingers and throwing temper tantrums. I only hope we wise up before it's too late.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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08 Nov 2014 15:43 #59 by ZHawke
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Very well said ScienceChic.

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08 Nov 2014 16:21 - 08 Nov 2014 16:24 #60 by Blazer Bob
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ScienceChic wrote: ...We're broke and we're not trying to fix it, ...


We are. You are not helping . Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein


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