Harris has history....BUT kamala kicks some ASS

koobookie wrote:

Pony Soldier wrote: It’s not a “birther” thing. It is a question that should have been decided decades ago. What does the term natural born citizen mean in the Constitution? Most, including me, interpret it as simply being born in the US. Some say that is not the case and that at least one parent must be a citizen. It does need a quick look by the Supremes to clarify then we can move on without questions.

It was decided decades ago. This was written yesterday by Heather Cox Richardson, an historian from Boston College.

The Supreme Court answered this question definitively in the 1898 United States v. Wong Kim Ark decision. The Supreme Court evaluated the Fourteenth Amendment’s first clause, which says that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The justices decided the clause established that anyone born on U.S. soil is an American citizen regardless of the nationality of their parents.

I actually agree that Citizen of the United States should be the standard, but that is not what it says in the Constitution. It says "Natural Born Citizen". That is what needs to be decided - what is meant by that phrase. Why didn't the framers use the phrase "United States Citizen"?

Why would it need to reach the Supreme Court? It's already been decided. In 1898

Try this for an answer. Ask Heather Cox Wilson if her concept of "stare decisis" would apply to this constitutional question

Separate But Equal

In 1896, the Supreme Court ruled in Plessy v. Ferguson that racially segregated public facilities were legal, so long as the facilities for blacks and whites were eq
Separate But Equal

In 1896, the Supreme Court ruled in Plessy v. Ferguson that racially segregated public facilities were legal, so long as the facilities for blacks and whites were equal.

Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka 1954, overturned the above decision.

According to you, the Plessy decision should stand.

Not to mention that the 14th amendment was implicitly written for freed slaves to gain citizenship. It had nothing to do with immigration or candidacy.

koobookie wrote:

HEARTLESS wrote: When it reaches the Supreme Court we shall see.

Why would it need to reach the Supreme Court? It's already been decided. In 1898.

Dred Scott was decided in 1857, but they later overturned that decision. The meaning of laws are constantly under review and subject to change.

Well, then you constitutional scholars should take your case up through the court system.

This is just another attempt by the right to obfuscate the candidacy of Harris, just like the distraction of the Obama "birther" issue. You boys will ride this until she is running for the Presidency herself. And probably beyond, too, just like you're still obsessed with Obama's citizenship.

She is eligible.

FredHayek wrote:

koobookie wrote:

HEARTLESS wrote: When it reaches the Supreme Court we shall see.

Why would it need to reach the Supreme Court? It's already been decided. In 1898.

Dred Scott was decided in 1857, but they later overturned that decision. The meaning of laws are constantly under review and subject to change.

Do you really think that the 1898 decision has a chance of being overturned?

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

koobookie wrote:

HEARTLESS wrote: When it reaches the Supreme Court we shall see.

Why would it need to reach the Supreme Court? It's already been decided. In 1898.

Dred Scott was decided in 1857, but they later overturned that decision. The meaning of laws are constantly under review and subject to change.

Do you really think that the 1898 decision has a chance of being overturned?

Not overturned, but I could see more restrictions put on it. Roberts court doesn't like to overturn the apple cart, but they will make small changes in legislation.

koobookie wrote: Well, then you constitutional scholars should take your case up through the court system.

This is just another attempt by the right to obfuscate the candidacy of Harris, just like the distraction of the Obama "birther" issue. You boys will ride this until she is running for the Presidency herself. And probably beyond, too, just like you're still obsessed with Obama's citizenship.

She is eligible.

Interesting... I can almost picture you stomping your foot...