The Unvaccinated? Why?

05 Aug 2021 10:43 #11 by Wayne Harrison
Then I wonder why the big push to get people vaccinated? Why did Trump get SECRETLY vaccinated, even after he came down with COVID-19?

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05 Aug 2021 10:58 #12 by ScienceChic
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Each person who becomes infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus will elicit a slightly different immune response based on their unique genetics, the environment, the virus variant they are infected with, their health, etc. The result is that native immunity resulting from an infection will vary in strength and duration. Vaccinations take some of that variability out of the equation by ensuring a minimum strength response in everyone inoculated to what should be a more universal component of the virus making it more reliable for future challenges by a virus.

Antibodies elicited by mRNA-1273 vaccination bind more broadly to the receptor binding domain than do those from SARS-CoV-2 infection
Sci Transl Med 2021 Jun 30;13(600):eabi9915.
doi: 10.1126/scitranslmed.abi9915. Epub 2021 Jun 8.

How Immunity Generated from COVID-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection
Posted on June 22nd, 2021 by Dr. Francis Collins

A key issue as we move closer to ending the pandemic is determining more precisely how long people exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the COVID-19 virus, will make neutralizing antibodies against this dangerous coronavirus. Finding the answer is also potentially complicated with new SARS-CoV-2 “variants of concern” appearing around the world that could find ways to evade acquired immunity, increasing the chances of new outbreaks.

Now, a new NIH-supported study shows that the answer to this question will vary based on how an individual’s antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were generated: over the course of a naturally acquired infection or from a COVID-19 vaccine. The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.

These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.

Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection
Vaccination offers longer, stronger immunity, says virologist Sabra Klein.
Interview by Brian W. Simpson, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health | MAY 28, 2021

Misconceptions about COVID-19 vaccines abound. Some common ones: If you’ve had COVID-19, you don’t need the vaccine. Wrong. It’s better get naturally infected than to get vaccinated. Wrong.


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05 Aug 2021 12:12 #13 by ramage
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Why did Trump get SECRETLY vaccinated, even after he came down with COVID-19?

Another journalistic tour de force.
What is the source of this statement? Is it Maggie Halberman, erstwhile reporter for the NYTimes and self proclaimed Trump opponent? She is quoted all over the liberal internet but she won't reveal her "informant".
How about this, Wayne, Joe Biden and Kamala are secretly having sexual intercourse in the Oval Office, don't ask me how I know because I cannot reveal my sources.

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05 Aug 2021 12:20 #14 by homeagain
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ramage wrote: Why did Trump get SECRETLY vaccinated, even after he came down with COVID-19?

Another journalistic tour de force.
What is the source of this statement? Is it Maggie Halberman, erstwhile reporter for the NYTimes and self proclaimed Trump opponent? She is quoted all over the liberal internet but she won't reveal her "informant".
How about this, Wayne, Joe Biden and Kamala are secretly having sexual intercourse in the Oval Office, don't ask me how I know because I cannot reveal my sources.


HERE YA GO.....
www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-n...ine-january-1135185/

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05 Aug 2021 12:27 #15 by koobookie
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ramage wrote: Why did Trump get SECRETLY vaccinated, even after he came down with COVID-19?

Another journalistic tour de force.
What is the source of this statement? Is it Maggie Halberman, erstwhile reporter for the NYTimes and self proclaimed Trump opponent? She is quoted all over the liberal internet but she won't reveal her "informant".


Wow - you're trusted sources have once again let you down.

Unlike President Joe Biden, Trump did not publically receive the vaccine, but Fox News confirmed earlier this month that both he and former first lady Melania Trump received their vaccines privately in January at the White House.

www.foxnews.com/media/trump-urges-all-am...e-its-a-safe-vaccine

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05 Aug 2021 21:22 - 05 Aug 2021 21:25 #16 by ramage
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It is refreshing to see that you consider Fox News a credible source.
Please read your citation and tell us who confirmed that President Trump received the medication. I certainly did not see any names.

"you're" is not the equivalent of" your". You're is a contraction of you are.

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06 Aug 2021 07:49 #17 by koobookie
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ramage wrote: It is refreshing to see that you consider Fox News a credible source.
Please read your citation and tell us who confirmed that President Trump received the medication. I certainly did not see any names.

"you're" is not the equivalent of" your". You're is a contraction of you are.


OH NO! You caught me with a typo! I guess you win the argument! Way to go!


I quoted Fox News so that Rick would accept it as a "trusted source."

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06 Aug 2021 08:57 #18 by Rick
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koobookie wrote:

ramage wrote: It is refreshing to see that you consider Fox News a credible source.
Please read your citation and tell us who confirmed that President Trump received the medication. I certainly did not see any names.

"you're" is not the equivalent of" your". You're is a contraction of you are.


OH NO! You caught me with a typo! I guess you win the argument! Way to go!


I quoted Fox News so that Rick would accept it as a "trusted source."

Koobookie, you've never seen me say that I thought Fox News was a trusted source. As I've said a few times, I trust stories I believe to be true based on different sources that give what I believe to be factual information. The difference between you and me is that I am more than willing to read or listen to sources I find to be mostly politically motivated by left wing ideology, while you have stated that you wont read or listen to sources you don't believe are credible. You can't judge a conservative source by what your trusted liberal sources say about it, you have to look and listen for yourself. That's like trusting a politician to give you factual information about their political opponent.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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06 Aug 2021 09:37 #19 by koobookie
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Rick wrote: Koobookie, you've never seen me say that I thought Fox News was a trusted source. As I've said a few times, I trust stories I believe to be true based on different sources that give what I believe to be factual information. The difference between you and me is that I am more than willing to read or listen to sources I find to be mostly politically motivated by left wing ideology, while you have stated that you wont read or listen to sources you don't believe are credible. You can't judge a conservative source by what your trusted liberal sources say about it, you have to look and listen for yourself. That's like trusting a politician to give you factual information about their political opponent.


You know, Rick, I've gone to some of those right wing web sites, I've read the stories, I've evaluated the "facts" they provide. It's like Wayne said, "I don't eat from a garbage can." Fool me once...

Those sites don't deserve my attention. They are so far from reality that it's not worth my time. You might think it's unfair that I don't look at garbage sites like brietbart and welovetrump and townhall and epochtimes and foxnews, but it's my opinion, and others, that they are so biased as to not be worth reading.

Go ahead and look at all the sites you want - which you have still not listed - and "do your own research." I've a pretty good idea, based upon your posts here, what you are actually reading.

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06 Aug 2021 09:57 #20 by Rick
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koobookie wrote:

Rick wrote: Koobookie, you've never seen me say that I thought Fox News was a trusted source. As I've said a few times, I trust stories I believe to be true based on different sources that give what I believe to be factual information. The difference between you and me is that I am more than willing to read or listen to sources I find to be mostly politically motivated by left wing ideology, while you have stated that you wont read or listen to sources you don't believe are credible. You can't judge a conservative source by what your trusted liberal sources say about it, you have to look and listen for yourself. That's like trusting a politician to give you factual information about their political opponent.


You know, Rick, I've gone to some of those right wing web sites, I've read the stories, I've evaluated the "facts" they provide. It's like Wayne said, "I don't eat from a garbage can." Fool me once...

Those sites don't deserve my attention. They are so far from reality that it's not worth my time. You might think it's unfair that I don't look at garbage sites like brietbart and welovetrump and townhall and epochtimes and foxnews, but it's my opinion, and others, that they are so biased as to not be worth reading.

Go ahead and look at all the sites you want - which you have still not listed - and "do your own research." I've a pretty good idea, based upon your posts here, what you are actually reading.


Again Koobookie, if you don't know what the other side is saying, how would you know if they are lying or not? Do you trust your politicians and news sources so much that you reject the possibility that they would ever lie to you, omit relevant information, or paint a narrative that is not fully based in fact?

In the next day or two I'm going to start a thread that contains video or written articles by people I know you don't trust and I'm going to ask you to find the false information being presented. If you are up on the current political hot topics, this should be pretty easy for you. You can also post articles, interviews, or anything else you see as factual from a source you think is truthful but I would disagree with.

We keep arging about what sources are good and what sources are bullshit. Lets look at what these biased sources are saying and then expose the bullshit. You game?

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