Endemic=ALWAYS a part of our lives

16 Nov 2021 15:25 #11 by ramage
Sadly, it took a FOIA request for the CDC to acknowledge that they have no record of an unvaccinated recovered individual who had Covid-19 infecting another person.
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16 Nov 2021 17:27 #12 by Rick
If we are to believe that "the science" is what w should be following, WHY TF isn't "the science" using all the pertinent data available? If it's discovered that natural immunity is less likely to spread covid or less likely to be re-infected, wouldn't that be extremely important information to know?

There's also very little talk about therapeutics that are working compared to the "get the vax and get the boosters" broken record.

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17 Nov 2021 06:48 #13 by homeagain
a DOUBLE BLINDED STUDY FOR ALL TRIALS should be mandatory, per ENDPOINT PFIZER is racking in
$$$$$$$for the Covid pill and stopped trials prematurely because it was so successful.....problem is, they
ONLY USED COMPROMISED AND UN VACCINATED AS SUBJECTED.....OUR GOV BOUGHT BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS FOR THIS,WHEN A LARGE PORTION OF THE POPULATION HAD BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE TRIALS.....HOW DOS THIS MAKE ANY SENSE? I can provide link if needed,a smaller company bowed out because of this factor....
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17 Nov 2021 07:58 #14 by Rick
I do love it when we agree on something HA.

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17 Nov 2021 10:01 #15 by homeagain
coloradosun.com/2021/11/09/covid-vaccine...26&mc_eid=86d8ec5269

SO-O. the booster is NOT NEW AND IMPROVED,DOES NOT ADDRESS NEW VARIANTS OR DELTA ,since I opted for J&J......the recommendation is booster IN two months....R U KIDDING ME. THE NEED
FOR A VAC I UNDERSTAND......boosters (without improvements, is not making sense)....Then the process
becomes questionable....too many factors,too few facts,too much money to be had. No wonder there is push back, IF u view the whole scope of the process/roll out. JMO

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17 Nov 2021 10:25 #16 by Mary Scott

homeagain wrote: .....OUR GOV BOUGHT BILLIONS
OF DOLLARS FOR THIS,WHEN A LARGE PORTION OF THE POPULATION HAD BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE TRIALS.....HOW DOS THIS MAKE ANY SENSE? I can provide link if needed,a smaller company bowed out because of this factor....

Sorry but this confuses me, you think the entire population should have been in the trials?

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17 Nov 2021 10:37 #17 by Rick
I just heard that 80% of the population has been vaccinated. So if you add up the vaccinated with those who already contracted the virus, how many are left?

Virus now taking off in highly vaccinated states, but follow the science, they know what they’re doing. :whistle:

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17 Nov 2021 12:23 #18 by homeagain
FOR MARY SCOTT.....NO, not the entire population,but an INCLUSIVE sampling of vaccinated and non compromised population.....THEN U HAVE A TOTAL PICTURE....this study was limited in scope and THEN
PUSHED THRU.....incomplete data. DOUBLE BLINDED it was not.....if u (collectively) r going to "push" a pill/vac then do so in a manner that has credibility and COMPLETE PROOF (to the best of your ability).....JMO

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17 Nov 2021 14:33 #19 by ScienceChic

Rick wrote: I just heard that 80% of the population has been vaccinated. So if you add up the vaccinated with those who already contracted the virus, how many are left?

Virus now taking off in highly vaccinated states, but follow the science, they know what they’re doing. :whistle:

80% of the population OR 80% of the eligible population? There's a big difference whether that word is included or excluded, and I highly doubt 80% of Americans are vaccinated which means the true percentage is far lower.

Also, there are huge differences county to county and state to state.

Why do those two things matter? Because as contagious as the Delta variant is, it's gonna take a higher total percentage of the population to be vaccinated, and those pockets of very low vaccination rates brought way up, before we're more protected. In the meantime, people have to stop behaving as if everything's fine when they go to indoor public places/large crowded areas, particularly as the weather turns cold and we're exposed to less fresh air.

Why are Colorado COVID-19 cases spiking?
By: Todd Neff, for UCHealth | Nov. 5, 2021

Zane suspects that the state’s uneven vaccination rates across its 64 counties are a contributor. Colorado counties’ rates of vaccination among eligible residents who have received at least one shot range from 100% in San Juan County to 37% in Washington County. While populous counties are generally better vaccinated, there’s a range there, too: 86% in Denver County, 82% in Jefferson County, 75% in Larimer County, 71% in El Paso County, and 65% in Pueblo County. It may be no coincidence that the combination of a sizable population and a low vaccination rate is contributing to Pueblo County having the state’s worst coronavirus spike. Herlihy pegged the rate of infection among the unvaccinated at between eight times and 20 times that of the vaccinated.

“It’s really giant holes of unvaccinated people, and gives the virus the opportunity to spread like wildfire,” Zane said.

HA, the vaccines are quite effective against the Delta variant, the chance of the pharmaceutical companies being able to tweak them to make them better is probably possible, but is it worth the time and money to go through the human trials for safety and efficacy? The problem is the waning immunity from the original vaccinations and why boosters are needed - it's supported by the data.

SARS-CoV-2 vaccine protection and deaths among US veterans during 2021
Science • 4 Nov 2021
DOI: 10.1126/science.abm0620

We report SARS-CoV-2 vaccine effectiveness against infection (VE-I) and death (VE-D) by vaccine type (n = 780,225) in the Veterans Health Administration, covering 2.7% of the U.S. population. From February to October 2021, VE-I declined from 87.9% to 48.1%, and the decline was greatest for the Janssen vaccine resulting in a VE-I of 13.1%. Although breakthrough infection increased risk of death, vaccination remained protective against death in persons who became infected during the Delta surge. From July to October 2021, VE-D for age 65 years was 73.0% for Janssen, 81.5% for Moderna, and 84.3% for Pfizer-BioNTech; VE-D for age ≥65 years was 52.2% for Janssen, 75.5% for Moderna, and 70.1% for Pfizer-BioNTech. Findings support continued efforts to increase vaccination, booster campaigns, and multiple, additional layers of protection against infection.


Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time
By Melissa Healy, LA Times Staff Writer | Nov. 4, 2021

As the Delta variant became the dominant strain of the coronavirus across the United States, all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans lost some of their protective power, with vaccine efficacy among a large group of veterans dropping between 35% and 85%, according to a new study.

Researchers who scoured the records of nearly 800,000 U.S. veterans found that in early March, just as the Delta variant was gaining a toehold across American communities, the three vaccines were roughly equal in their ability to prevent infections.

But over the next six months, that changed dramatically.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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17 Nov 2021 19:05 #20 by ramage
Interestingly, the topic of this thread refers to an article that gives the impression that Covid-19 will be like the flu. Therefore we have to get use to living with it,

"Acceptance means reminding ourselves that the things we have put on hold -- dinners, parties, lectures, meetings, museums, restaurants, travel, weddings, and so on -- can't be put on hold forever. And avoiding all these activities in pursuit of health means giving up living in order to stay alive.

Acceptance is coming -- that's the true end of the pandemic. COVID-19 won't vanish as some may have believed early on. Instead, some pockets of the U.S. will continue to have caseload increases, some hospitals may get overloaded and local measures may be necessary, but the virus is not going away and the burden is on us to come to terms with that. Each of us has to decide how much life we are willing to trade to delay our time to meet the virus."


The Flu has never been politicized as Covid. I wonder why?

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