Joe Responds, "Let's Go Brandon, I agree"

ramage wrote: What is a "moderate"? I am soliciting opinions from all.

Today's moderate can only be a person who is willing to damage his own party in order to stay in power or to get a nice gig when out of power.

The real question is, what issues have moderate solutions when the parties have opposite ideologies?

ramage wrote: What is a "moderate"? I am soliciting opinions from all.

Someone who can compromise with the other party. I get some of what I want. You get some of what you want. But you don't get everything you want. The nation has worked that way for over two hundred years.

FredHayek wrote:

ramage wrote: What is a "moderate"? I am soliciting opinions from all.

Someone who can compromise with the other party. I get some of what I want. You get some of what you want. But you don't get everything you want. The nation has worked that way for over two hundred years.

Yes, we have a couple hundred years of compromises but the ideologies have never been this divided. One side wants to make Americans more dependent on the government like never before. The real power in the Democrat party is getting a lot of traction (voter enthusiasm) from proposals like free college (and loan forgiveness), free child care, free health care, forced minimum wages, destruction of fossil fuels, revived racism (white man bad), and a lot of other issues including the taking of freedoms that were once never considered. If Democrats get Republicans to compromise on socialist policies that give Americans more and more free stuff, it will never be reversed and the once successful system that created all of our wealth will be destroyed.

Look at the policy proposals on both sides and tell me where real compromises are possible, given who has the real power and is pushing those policies. With such opposite ideologies, compromise will only come from people who are wiling to be tossed from their own party. Tell me why I'm wrong.

What would be an issue that there is room for compromise? Abortion? Gun rights?
I can appreciate that budgetary matters might have some wiggle room but if it results in growing the government would a moderate then compromise?

LOL. You guys are giving the Republicans a lot more credit than I do.
I would guess about 25% of Republicans support abortion rights. There are also a percentage of Democrat voters who are pro-life.
And same thing with gun rights. 25% of Republicans are fine with more gun laws, like President Trump who passed more anti-gun laws like bump stocks than Obama or Biden have.

I only give credit to Republicans who stand up loudly against leftist insanity, so not many.

Let me ask you a question Fred, since you believe that it’s good to compromise with idiots. Which part(s) of the BBB bill would you want to get passed if you were a Republican senator?

If you think there isn’t any part of that bill that is worth passing, why would you want to compromise on it if you know it would do more damage than good?

What you fail to realize is that the Democrat party has no intention on compromising with Republicans on anything ever again. They impeached Trump twice for complete bullshit reasons including a quid pro quo that Biden is actually guilty of. These are not people with good ideas and therefore should never be given any kind of compromise unless they actually have ideas that don’t just help them get elected.

The only good Republican is one that will stand up against Democrats and their media and loudly say FU! They should be working on an impeachment or two for Biden so they dilute that action completely. You know damn well that the next Republican will face a scorched earth attack and will be impeached multiple times because that’s all Democrats have… certainly not any logical ideas.

Guns and abortion are not the big issues Fred… it’s socialism/communism vs capitalism. Pick a side, there’s no squishy middle anymore.

I wouldn't compromise on BBB. It is inflationary and would add trillions in debt. The nation doesn't need it. Glad to see Joe Manchin(D) supporting the GOP in a bipartisan smack down of more spending. And good to see Senator Sinema supporting preserving the filibuster. If 60 senators don't want something to pass, it is probably a bad bill.

So those are the two "moderates" in that party who will never be reelected as Democrats. Schumer wants to burn down the filibuster which means that any Republican who wants to compromise with those scumbags isn't a moderate, he or she is just worthless as a Republican.

Manchin will continue to be reelected. He still won in a dark Red state that voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. Sinema might have issues. Schumer says he wants to destroy the filibuster but he simply doesn't have the votes. (And I think he realizes that if he did destroy it, the Democrats would suffer.) Destroying the filibuster is just a rally flag.