The Ukrainian Russian Bloodbath?

21 Nov 2023 18:54 #1 by FredHayek


Time for Yelensky to sue for peace? He is depopulating his nation. Killing not only young men but also young women.
And Russia is also having manpower issues, losing three soldiers for every Ukrainian trooper.

Find a way for both leaders to save face.

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21 Nov 2023 20:04 #2 by Rick
Losing is not an option for Putin so there will be no saving face. Putin may as well put a gun in his mouth if he can't take the country... someone else will do it for him. Ukraine was doomed from the start because they were not given what they really needed early on. I"m guessing the families of the soldiers and the fallen are starting to think surrender is the better option at this point.

If European countries really think Putin is going to continue taking more beyond Ukraine, why have they done so little to stop him? OIL? It's amazing how much money we've spent on our military to defend our "allies" who are capable of defending themselves, but choose not to because we are always there for them.

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21 Nov 2023 20:49 #3 by FredHayek
If these vain dictators don't stop letting their citizens die for inches of ground, the people will revolt. Same thing happened in Russia in 1917 and the people replaced their Tsar. And the Germans sent their Kaiser into exile in 1918.

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22 Nov 2023 08:22 #4 by Rick
That really is the common denominator when it comes to bad leaders. Their lives are never risked and they use their citizens as cannon fodder without a second thought. Hamas is the worst offender, but even people like Mitt Romney are always willing to send the sons of others to war, but his boys would never be expected to make that sacrifice.

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22 Nov 2023 10:31 #5 by FredHayek
Yes, but with lower birth rates, you are going to see more families resist sending their only sons to deadly trench battles on the Steppes, or even dangerous beach landings in Taiwan.
Even the US military is having a tough time signing new recruits.

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22 Nov 2023 18:37 #6 by ramage
Please understand that Russia and Ukraine had negotiated an end to the conflict in 2021 but Boris Johnson told them that that the U.S. and Britain did not want that cessation. Ergo, 400,00+ people subsequently have lost their lives and it continues.
As Lindsey Graham put it, (paraphrase) we will fund them until the last Ukrainian dies.

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23 Nov 2023 09:15 #7 by Rick

FredHayek wrote: Yes, but with lower birth rates, you are going to see more families resist sending their only sons to deadly trench battles on the Steppes, or even dangerous beach landings in Taiwan.
Even the US military is having a tough time signing new recruits.

It wouldn't be as big of a problem if the military wasn't pushing all the woke bullshit and the forcing of Covid shots. The military is being destroyed by politics... I don't blame anyone for not wanting to be part of it anymore. Then you add the really bad decisions this government made when leaving Afghanistan that was responsible for many lost lives and surrender of our equipmemt to terrorists. It's amazing hopw much damage has been done in just a few years.

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23 Nov 2023 12:05 #8 by FredHayek
The US military is asking troops to return to the ranks. Yes, they want to re-sign the soldiers and sailors who refused their Covid-19 shots. Will they get back pay and official apologies for refusing the shots?

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27 Nov 2023 09:58 #9 by FredHayek


President Biden cutting away at the social safety net as Winter approaches. I guess social programs don't generate kickbacks like funding Ukraine does.

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02 Dec 2023 16:16 #10 by FredHayek

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