WE WERE THE IMMIGRANTS.....imagine that and then REFRAME your mindset

Rick wrote: At some point 'we' have to move on and stop relitigating the past. Pretty much every square in of this planet has changed, as far as the people who occupied it first and the people who occupy it now. IT CAN NOT BE REVERSED. Looking for ways to balance the scales of fairness is insane and can never be accomplished. Since every country has pushed at least one one group of people out, so that others could take their place, people, it should just be thought of as an evolution, like in the animal world. \

What is accomplished by never letting go of the past, especially when the issue is that human nature evolves in good as well as bad ways. Other than a few exceptions, like N Korea and China... most countries evolved from slavery and from conquering land. Russia would be another exception.

HA, I'd really like you to explain the remedy for this past "injustice". Instead of decades more bitching about all of the past injustices, how about you tell us the solution so we can make everything right

with the stars and continue with our Constitutional Republic? I'm trying not to be snarky, but I've just never heard a good answer to that question from anyone. Please, tell us how we move on, in a fair and equitable way.

BY KEEPING THE PROMISES MADE MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO, (LOOK UP HOW INDIGENOUS AGREEMENTS WERE MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT, U DO THE RESEARCH, BY RESTORING THE WATER RIGHTS ON THEIR LAND...THAT IS A BIG ONE BEING DEBATED AS WE SPEAK....THEY STILL CARRY WATER TO THEIR SHELTERS....DRIVE THRU THE DINE' REZ THRU NEW MEXICO.....WATER PIPES R STILL BEING INSTALLED AND THAT WAS YEARS AGO....BY RESPECTING THEIR TRADITIONS AND CULTURE AND ALLOWING THEM THE FREEDOM TO ''BE'
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION??? PROMISES WERE MADE AND NEVER UPHELD

I see, so giving them water rights will be the end of it and we can move on? I seriously doubt that.

Speaking of "promises made and never upheld"... you still haven't upheld the bet we made. You were the only one on the left that I had some respect for, until you welched on that bet. If you want to claim that you made good on it, you had better post your quote and a link to the quote.

Rick wrote: I see, so giving them water rights will be the end of it and we can move on? I seriously doubt that.

Speaking of "promises made and never upheld"... you still haven't upheld the bet we made. You were the only one on the left that I had some respect for, until you welched on that bet. If you want to claim that you made good on it, you had better post your quote and a link to the quote.

SEE THE ABOVE THREAD......AGAIN.

As I predicted, another dodge. Pay up.

While we're on the subject . . . how are the tribes going to make amends for the land they took from other tribes in the time leading up to when the first white settlers arrived and started taking the land away from the tribe that had taken it away from another tribe.

Just how far back does this "restitution" process go? To the start of the Common Era, 1000 AD, 2000 BC, or do we just start around 1600 AD? What arbitrary time is the starting point? Are the Anasazi and their descendants to be punished for the environmental disaster they perpetrated upon the landscape before they had to leave? How many species of animal and plant life did they destroy with their hubris?

Rick wrote: I see, so giving them water rights will be the end of it and we can move on? I seriously doubt that.

Speaking of "promises made and never upheld"... you still haven't upheld the bet we made. You were the only one on the left that I had some respect for, until you welched on that bet. If you want to claim that you made good on it, you had better post your quote and a link to the quote.

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bolded 1 THAT would be a start,allowing the sacred ceremonies to continue(THE SUN CEREMONY WAS BAN BY THE GOV.,UNTIL RECENTLY) RESPECTING THE SCARED LANDSITES (BEARS' EAR) ,REALIZING THAT THEIR ANCESTRAL LAND CONTAINS THEIR LONG PAST DEAD. (IHONORING THE
PAST)....we would be pissed if some developer acquired a large cemetery and starting ravishing the land, our very recent and ancient past relatives disrespected.

bolded 2 U MIGHT WANT TO REVIEW THAT ACTION.....ALREADY DONE. (u just want a gesture of groveling and submission....I have fulfilled my obligations as i understood it. Sorry it was not what u desired.

Your obligation under the terms of the bet, which you initiated and agreed to the terms of, was to post that you now understand that your media sources were lying to you and that you now understand that Trump can't become a dictator, fascist, communist, or socialist, under our system of government. That's the "payment" you owe for losing the bet your hubris and misplaced beliefs led you to make.

Post these words - "I now understand and accept that my media sources lied to me and everyone else about Trump and he can't become a dictator under our system of government". Do that and the wager is satisfied, your honor upheld.

Great point PS!
Should we fine the Aztecs for slaughtering and enslaving other tribes?
The Sioux were originally from the Great Lakes region but took over the Badlands from Great Plains tribes. Should we expel them from Cheyenne lands and their current reservations?

Rick wrote: What is accomplished by never letting go of the past, especially when the issue is that human nature evolves in good as well as bad ways. Other than a few exceptions, like N Korea and China... most countries evolved from slavery and from conquering land. Russia would be another exception.

Rick I am skeptical that human nature has evolved at all. Much more likely in my opinion that it was technology, science, and mechanization not necessarily in that order.

As to your and H A's bet I don't believe she will ever state that unless she comes to realize that it's true. As the Trump Administration Unfolds I would be much more interested in hearing if Her point of view evolves at all or if not what rationalizations will there be.

The Pilgrims don't look like conquering heroes to me. They look like survivors.