TAKING A TRIP?....might want to rethink how REALLY safe the sky is...

newrepublic.com/post/191585/trump-fire-air-traffic-controllers


Donald Trump’s administration has begun indiscriminately culling scores of people who keep air travel safe, despite four deadly plane crashes during his first two months as president.

In a statement published Saturday, David Spero, the president of the AFL-CIO’s Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS), said that several hundred employees represented by the organization had been fired “without cause nor based on performance or conduct.”

The notices, sent from an “exec order” Microsoft email address, began arriving Friday evening, according to the statement


IN WHAT UNIVERSE DOES THIS MAKES SENSE, WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THE AIR IS TOO CONGESTED AND THE END RESULT AS BEEN TRAGEDY....( the welding of a e.o.is becoming increasingly erratic and is establishing a pattern that has NOTHING TO DO WITH EFFICIENT ACTIONS.....IT IS BECOMING INSANE.)

Are you attempting to make some sort of connection between the plane crashes and Trump? Trump's goal is to replace DEI hires with merit based hires. Tell me how that leads to less air safety.

Rick wrote: Are you attempting to make some sort of connection between the plane crashes and Trump? Trump's goal is to replace DEI hires with merit based hires. Tell me how that leads to less air safety.

IF u can't understand the ramifications of this action.....then my attempt to explain it to u would be futile.

homeagain wrote: IN WHAT UNIVERSE DOES THIS MAKES SENSE, WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THE AIR IS TOO CONGESTED AND THE END RESULT AS BEEN TRAGEDY....( the welding of a e.o.is becoming increasingly erratic and is establishing a pattern that has NOTHING TO DO WITH EFFICIENT ACTIONS.....IT IS BECOMING INSANE.)

So what's the premise you're forwarding here HA, that the safety of the skies needs to be reexamined because these PASS employees have done such a stellar job in their duties that safety in the skies is no longer a given, or that the safety of the skies needs to be reexamined because these PASS employees who have done such a stellar job that safety in the skies is no longer a given have been let go and the safety is even less than it was before that safety needed to be reexamined?

Probationary employees hired under the DEI standards of the last administration across all departments, not just this one, were summarily dismissed. And if, indeed, these individuals are "mission critical", and their initial hiring was the result of competency and not equity, I imagine that an offer to be rehired will be forthcoming. If, however, these individuals were hired and more qualified individuals were passed over in order to adhere to the DEI imposed upon the agency, then I would expect that the more qualified individuals will instead be the recipients of the job offer. In either scenario, whether they are rehired because of their qualifications, or more qualified individuals are hired to replace them, the safety of the skies will be enhanced. Having an incompetent person sitting in a chair because someone needs to be sitting there doesn't enhance anyone's safety, does it?

The plane crash in Toronto? Clearly weather related and the Toronto Airport is not under the control of the FAA.

The DC chopper crash? Mistakes were made in an overcrowded airspace.

And someone ran the actual numbers on aircrashes during the past ten years. There haven't been any huge increases during any of the Trump years.

I work for a 121 carrier. The FAA sets policy, reviews documentation, approves or disapproves of changes to the way a carrier conducts their maintenance operations, and issues corrective actions that must be taken when mistakes are discovered.

Know what the FAA doesn't do? Inspect the actual maintenance work performed by the A&P mechanics, that duty belongs to the QA Inspectors at the airline. The FAA is a lot like most policing efforts . . . reactive instead of proactive. Sure, if you forget to button up a panel and it comes off in midflight the FAA is going to investigate you, but nothing the FAA does is going to prevent a mechanic from failing to button up that panel or catch the oversight made by the inspector when they don't discover that error before the plane is filled with passengers and leaves for the next city. The federal government doesn't operate at that level of micromanagement. It never has, it never will. It can't, because the federal government is a macro organization, not a micro organization.

Safety of the aircraft is the responsibility of the individuals hired by the airline. They are the ones responsible for ensuring that the aircraft is airworthy, and I can promise you that each and every one of them takes their jobs seriously because none of them want the responsibility for the death of innocents on their conscience.

Whether that's a mechanic, an inspector, a FA making sure that all required items are there before the plane leaves, the pilots, and ground crews, doing a walk around before and after each flight to look for damage, the charts and checklists used by the pilots for the flight, dispatch, loadmasters and pilots going over the weight and balance of plane before it leaves, ensuring that every piece of luggage in the belly of that plane has a person who is on that airplane, or any one of the thousand things that go into each and every flight by each and every airline.

The FAA sets the rules, they have very little to do with anything associated with a plane being filled with passengers leaving an airport outside of the ATC in the tower managing the traffic in the area. I can promise you that the probationary PASS employees have little, if anything, to do with the safe operation of each and every flight that happens thousands of times per day in US airspace. Oh sure, they may monitor the paperwork from a random sampling of flights each day to ensure that the airline is doing what it is supposed to do, but none of that auditing is done in real time, it's all after the fact, days, weeks, months after the fact. Not a single FAA employee is going to catch a safety issue prior to a plane leaving an airport. Feel better now HA?

I have less fear of flying than I do of traveling on 285 with downstream drivers on a icy day.

NO, i DO NOT FEEL BETTER....the Boeing fiasco was a long overdue correction...WHO was responsible for that factor? (I am not a guru on this...so u tell me, and OH, the ALASKA AIRLINES door that blew off....what entity was negligent on that incident..... THE SKIES R OVERLY CONGESTED THESE DAYS and not having COMPLETE AND COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY CHECK BEFORE THE CRAFT IS RELEASED TO THE BUYER/ AIR CARRIER IS UNTHINKABLE..

"near misses" r not accurately reported (u know this, I am sure)....my take on flying these days is this......u r in a tin tubular can at 30,000 ft (or what ever is assigned to your pilot) WITH A BUNCH OF DISGRUNTLED,SOMETIMES DRUNK OR DRUGGED PEOPLE AND THE CRAMPED SPACE THE AIRLINES HAS ASSIGNED U, (SO THAT THEY CAN CRAM MORE HUMANS INTO THE CRAFT)IS NOT ADEQUATE TO ENDURE A 3 OR 4 HOUR FLIGHT.....PEOPLE THEN GET BITCHY AND THE TRIP GOES OF THE RAILS.....no thanks, I will forgo the friggin mess and drive or stay home.

a trip on a train sounds like a good idea,but I have never heard feedback on that...anyone have experience of train trips?

Train trips? I have taken one on VIA in Canada from Winnipeg to Vancouver. Three days and two nights. Cool seeing the Rockies from the dome cars but overall we didn't enjoy it. Couldn't open windows because they didn't want you to lose an arm when another train passes by. Crowded and expensive.

Air travel is continuing to climb to record levels. We just csme back from Puerto Vallarta where they are doubling the size of their airport in four years. DIA keeps getting bigger and seeing more use.

There are always going to be tradeoffs when juggling the safety versus timely flights. Glad those are not my headaches to deal with.

Looks like the data says it is actually safer to fly right now.