Trump Economy Beats Naysayers!

homeagain wrote:

Rick wrote:

FredHayek wrote: 4.3% robust growth in the 3rd quarter!

Hey, didn’t HA predict this earlier this year? Oh, wait… no… I believe the word “recession” was the main theme. Those “journalists” and “experts” disappointed once again. I’m guessing Forbes.

TO THE BOTH OF U.....IF U R ASTUTE AT READING THE ECONOMY,,IT IS "K' SHAPED...THAT MEANS THE UPPER PORTION(HIS BESTIES) R SPENDING MONEY...THE LOWER PORTION OF THE "k" IS BUY NOW AND PAY LATER....CC BALANCES R MAXED,BUT A SPENDING WE WILL GO....BECAUSE NOW, I CAN BE EVEN FURTHER IN DEBT WITH THE NEW BOGUS PLAN....APPARENTLY READING SKILLS NEED SHARPENING......SEVERAL THINGS R GOING TO IMPACT THE Q1....HEALTHCARE PLAN, OR LACK OF....BUDGET RECONCILIATION AND LAST YEAR BUDGET AGREEMENT TO EXTEND TIMELINE....THAT AGREEMENT WAS MADE DURING MERCURY RETROGRADE....GUESS WHAT? WHEN THE NEW TIMEFRAME COMES DUE IN FEB
(i BELIEVE THAT IS THE DATE)...IT WILL BE MERCURY RETROGRADE AGAIN.....WHAT THAT TRANSLATE TO IS THIS....NEVER SIGN CONTRACTS OR ENTER INTO NEW ENDEAVORS DURING MERCURY RETROGRADE.....THE OUTCOME WILL EITHER FAIL OR HAVE TO BE REDONE OR NEW FACTORS WILL BE PRESENTED THAT ALTER THE DECISIONS/AGREEMENT....IF A HEALTHCARE PLAN IS NOT AGREED UPON AND THE TARIFFS FULL IMPACT WILL BE FELT....WE R LOOKING AT SOME SERIOUS SCENARIOS FOR Q1........OH, THAT IS OK...U THINK I BLOW SMOKE. WHAT U DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THE FUTURE (FORWARD LOOKING) IS PRECARIOUS AT BEST AND PUTS AMERICA INTO POSS. RECESSION...BUT ALL LOOKS ROSY AND BRIGHT TODAY AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.....WAIT AND WATCH....TIME CHOOSES IT''S OWN PATH

. www.reuters.com/business/us-consumer-con...december-2025-12-23/

WASHINGTON, Dec 23 (Reuters) - U.S. consumer confidence deteriorated in December amid deepening anxiety over jobs and income, consistent with economists' expectations for a sharp moderation in consumer spending after it surged in the third quarter.
The Conference Board said on Tuesday its consumer confidence index fell 3.8 points to 89.1 this month. Economists polled by Reuters had forecast the index at 91.0.


TAKE NOTE OF THE DATE.....BACKWARD LOOKING DATE AS OPPOSED TO FORWARD LOOKING DATA.....OH MY...WHAT A DIFFERENCE A MONTH OR SO MAKES.... JUST AS I POSTED BEFORE ,
Q1 IS A PRECARIOUS PERIOD

FOR RICK...WHO COULD NOT/WOULD NOT FIND THIS ON FIRST OR SECOND PAGE OF THIS THREAD..

homeagain wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

Classic moving the goalposts? Trump will collapse the economy with his tariffs! Prepare for doom.


The economy expanded under President Trump

Move the prediction out!


Side story in the WSJ last week. Mexico is doing better than most nations with Trump's tariffs because their tariff rate is lower.

1) Trump's tariffs aren't destroying the American economy.
2),Trump's tariffs are hurting other nations.

So stop believing the young punks at The Atlantic who are more concerned with attacking Trump than looking at the economics.

America is the rare economy that has excessive consumer spending. The rest of the exporting economies around the world depend on us consuming at high rates. When we shut off their imports, they suffer more than us.

China is forced to flood the rest of the world with their crap. And they often have to discount their goods so their profit levels are falling.

www.businessinsider.com/bankruptcies-acr...ds-corporate-2025-12

Bankruptcies are exploding across the economy, hitting small businesses and households. Few industries are immune.


OH,OK THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS HEADLINE......THIS IS THE GENESIS OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING..BUT HEY, I'M ''WOO WOO AND WRONG......THIS SHOULD BE ENTERTAINING , RICK AND FRED ATTEMPTING TO BLOW ME OFF AND DECLARE WE R DOING ABSOLUTELY AWESOME
www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/trum...de-war-b2891032.html

Corporate bankruptcies in the US soared to a 15-year high in 2025, with 717 companies filing for Chapter 7 or Chapter 11 between January and November.
The figures marked a 14 per cent increase from the previous year.
This surge, the highest since 2010, is largely attributed to inflation, high interest rates, and President Donald Trump’s trade policies, particularly tariffs that have increased costs and hampered supply chains.
The increase in filings was most notable among industrials, including construction, manufacturing, and transportation firms, as well as consumer-oriented companies offering discretionary products or services.
Economists note a contradiction in the US economy, where strong overall growth (4.3 per cent GDP) is not evenly distributed, with many businesses struggling under the strain of tariffs and other expenses.

In full

Bankruptcies soared to a 15-year high in 2025 as companies struggled to cope with Trump’s trade wars
Bankruptcies soared to a 15-year high in 2025 as companies struggled to cope with Trump’s trade wars

So n Iw we worry about bankruptcy rates? Where was your concern when Democrats across the country and our president decided to limit business commerce because of a virus? This is when the real damage was done and now we get to watch the results of the insane policies that hurt businesses (mostly small businesses).

I still believe the tariff strategy will leave us better off in the long run… short term pain will be worth it imo.

Now, when do we see your recession?

BYW, the only reason we were able to take over the restaurant is because the prior owners went bankrupt, due to Democrat policies.

Rick wrote: So n Iw we worry about bankruptcy rates? Where was your concern when Democrats across the country and our president decided to limit business commerce because of a virus? This is when the real damage was done and now we get to watch the results of the insane policies that hurt businesses (mostly small businesses).

I still believe the tariff strategy will leave us better off in the long run… short term pain will be worth it imo.

Now, when do we see your recession?

.SEVERAL THINGS R GOING TO IMPACT THE Q1....HEALTHCARE PLAN, OR LACK OF....BUDGET RECONCILIATION AND LAST YEAR BUDGET AGREEMENT TO EXTEND TIMELINE....THAT AGREEMENT WAS MADE DURING MERCURY RETROGRADE....GUESS WHAT? WHEN THE NEW TIMEFRAME COMES DUE IN FEB
(i BELIEVE THAT IS THE DATE)...IT WILL BE MERCURY RETROGRADE AGAIN.....WHAT THAT TRANSLATE TO IS THIS....NEVER SIGN CONTRACTS OR ENTER INTO NEW ENDEAVORS DURING MERCURY RETROGRADE.....THE OUTCOME WILL EITHER FAIL OR HAVE TO BE REDONE OR NEW FACTORS WILL BE PRESENTED THAT ALTER THE DECISIONS/AGREEMENT....IF A HEALTHCARE PLAN IS NOT AGREED UPON AND THE TARIFFS FULL IMPACT WILL BE FELT....WE R LOOKING AT SOME SERIOUS SCENARIOS FOR Q1........OH, THAT IS OK...U THINK I BLOW SMOKE. WHAT U DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THE FUTURE (FORWARD LOOKING) IS PRECARIOUS AT BEST AND PUTS AMERICA INTO POSS. RECESSION...BUT ALL LOOKS ROSY AND BRIGHT TODAY AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.....WAIT AND WATCH....TIME CHOOSES IT''S OWN PATH


WOW....LIKE TRYING TO TEACH A TODDLER WHAT NO MEANS......THE ABOVE R THE SCENARIOS
I WOULD LIKE YOUR VIEW ON.....U KEEP DEFLECTING AND THE POV IS NEVER ADDRESSED.

homeagain wrote:

Rick wrote: So n Iw we worry about bankruptcy rates? Where was your concern when Democrats across the country and our president decided to limit business commerce because of a virus? This is when the real damage was done and now we get to watch the results of the insane policies that hurt businesses (mostly small businesses).

I still believe the tariff strategy will leave us better off in the long run… short term pain will be worth it imo.

Now, when do we see your recession?

.SEVERAL THINGS R GOING TO IMPACT THE Q1....HEALTHCARE PLAN, OR LACK OF....BUDGET RECONCILIATION AND LAST YEAR BUDGET AGREEMENT TO EXTEND TIMELINE....THAT AGREEMENT WAS MADE DURING MERCURY RETROGRADE....GUESS WHAT? WHEN THE NEW TIMEFRAME COMES DUE IN FEB
(i BELIEVE THAT IS THE DATE)...IT WILL BE MERCURY RETROGRADE AGAIN.....WHAT THAT TRANSLATE TO IS THIS....NEVER SIGN CONTRACTS OR ENTER INTO NEW ENDEAVORS DURING MERCURY RETROGRADE.....THE OUTCOME WILL EITHER FAIL OR HAVE TO BE REDONE OR NEW FACTORS WILL BE PRESENTED THAT ALTER THE DECISIONS/AGREEMENT....IF A HEALTHCARE PLAN IS NOT AGREED UPON AND THE TARIFFS FULL IMPACT WILL BE FELT....WE R LOOKING AT SOME SERIOUS SCENARIOS FOR Q1........OH, THAT IS OK...U THINK I BLOW SMOKE. WHAT U DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THE FUTURE (FORWARD LOOKING) IS PRECARIOUS AT BEST AND PUTS AMERICA INTO POSS. RECESSION...BUT ALL LOOKS ROSY AND BRIGHT TODAY AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.....WAIT AND WATCH....TIME CHOOSES IT''S OWN PATH


WOW....LIKE TRYING TO TEACH A TODDLER WHAT NO MEANS......THE ABOVE R THE SCENARIOS
I WOULD LIKE YOUR VIEW ON.....U KEEP DEFLECTING AND THE POV IS NEVER ADDRESSED.

Sorry, you lost me with the retrograde bullshit. You either think the economy is going into a recession dumpster fire or you don’t. Yes, one day we will be in a recession… most likely if a fool like Newsome becomes president but probably not before then.

This toddler has been right over and over and over, while you have been consistently wrong. Now, who is it that needs to be taught?

Energy costs will decline now. But might hurt the domestic oil exploration. More layoffs?

TO THE BOTH OF U....WHY DID BUFFET SELL A BOATLOAD OF STOCKS AND ACQUIRE MUCHO MONEY INSTEAD?....HE TOOK SOME LOSSES, BUT WENT WITH $$$$$$.....IS IT BECAUSE HE SAW AROUND THE CORNER AND WAS CONCERNED FOR THE MARKET? HE IS RETIRED NOW,BUT HIS ACTIONS R EXTREMELY TELLING......AND HIS FORWARD THINKING IS ACUTE.

Buffet looks for bargains and he thinks the US stock market is overvalued.

(I do too.)

But we both could be wrong. Lower oil prices can really spur more investment.

Berkshire has over one trillion in the bank right now. (Actually mostly in US treasuries)

What will Hathaway start buying first?

These numbers seem suspicious. Maybe a surge of EV buying before President Trump ended the EV tax credits.