I can't believe some people

You know my neighbor too?? Fred's buddy, nothing done same ol PARK COUNTY...

Valle Girl wrote:

jf1acai wrote: AFAIK, only one of the recent significant Colorado wildfires has been determined to have been caused by a camper.

While I agree that uninformed (or whatever term you prefer) campers have started many illegal campfires, and have left many of those unattended, causing unnecessary expenditure of firefighting resources as well as concern to residents, I do not believe that the 'dumb flatlanders' should be the primary concern.

Many of the illegal and/or unattended campfires have been started by local homeowners.

Many of the fire ban violations have been local homeowners who were not aware of, or did not understand, the fire restrictions in place at the time.

For those fires not caused by lightning, excluding arson, I think that better education of all is the solution, starting with better dissemination of the fact that fire restrictions exist. Perhaps notices to all USPS mail addresses?

I also think that the fire restrictions/bans are unnecessarily difficult to understand. Perhaps a better approach would be to list those activities which are permitted, and all NOT mentioned are prohibited?

Regarding arson, I don't have a good solution for preventing/reducing that. Perhaps more situational awareness on the part of residents, reported to authorities either at the time or after an incident develops, might help?

Just trying to encourage more proactive solutions to the problem.

I can't believe my neighbors...I have had to call the authorities more than once for riding dirt bikes up and down their property, or shooting firearms. They surely understand the rules after the first contact, but they just have no regard for rules, which I find is common in "these here hills."

I've been calling the authorities for 12 years about the same folks and they continue to break the law and I continue to call and I don't know if the authorities even respond...I generally don't see them.

What I am trying to say is there is a lack of regard for rules around here by many who live here. And, I think our Sheriff stinks, since the neighbor in question is an old high school buddy!

Regarding better information transfer I so agree. However, I do think the NOTs should be the most important since it never occurred to me that off-road vehicles are completely banned from use; as are gas operated small equipment like a weed-eater or lawn mower. I am happy about the off road things though I can actually hear my radio with the windows open now :crossed:

It is frustrating when folks seemingly don't think to check on things under the circumstances.

People who don't like following rules are attracted to the mountains. If they wanted to follow the rules, they would stay in town in their HOA's.
One of the downsides of living up here are the people it attracts.

FredHayek wrote: People who don't like following rules are attracted to the mountains. If they wanted to follow the rules, they would stay in town in their HOA's.
One of the downsides of living up here are the people it attracts.

Wow isn't that the truth.

A friend of mine is watching neighbor's property for trespassers, particularly the younger variety. Even though the property is posted and fenced there are still people wandering around.

Yesterday, another friend and I hike down to an area that is known to have campfires that aren't properly put out. Sure enough a ban may be in effect in the national forest but that doesn't stop someone from making a campfire because they can't be seen and not putting it out.

We don't have to worry about terrorists, we have our own home grown nonthinking people.

FredHayek wrote:

Valle Girl wrote:

jf1acai wrote: AFAIK, only one of the recent significant Colorado wildfires has been determined to have been caused by a camper.

While I agree that uninformed (or whatever term you prefer) campers have started many illegal campfires, and have left many of those unattended, causing unnecessary expenditure of firefighting resources as well as concern to residents, I do not believe that the 'dumb flatlanders' should be the primary concern.

Many of the illegal and/or unattended campfires have been started by local homeowners.

Many of the fire ban violations have been local homeowners who were not aware of, or did not understand, the fire restrictions in place at the time.

For those fires not caused by lightning, excluding arson, I think that better education of all is the solution, starting with better dissemination of the fact that fire restrictions exist. Perhaps notices to all USPS mail addresses?

I also think that the fire restrictions/bans are unnecessarily difficult to understand. Perhaps a better approach would be to list those activities which are permitted, and all NOT mentioned are prohibited?

Regarding arson, I don't have a good solution for preventing/reducing that. Perhaps more situational awareness on the part of residents, reported to authorities either at the time or after an incident develops, might help?

Just trying to encourage more proactive solutions to the problem.

I can't believe my neighbors...I have had to call the authorities more than once for riding dirt bikes up and down their property, or shooting firearms. They surely understand the rules after the first contact, but they just have no regard for rules, which I find is common in "these here hills."

I've been calling the authorities for 12 years about the same folks and they continue to break the law and I continue to call and I don't know if the authorities even respond...I generally don't see them.

What I am trying to say is there is a lack of regard for rules around here by many who live here. And, I think our Sheriff stinks, since the neighbor in question is an old high school buddy!

Regarding better information transfer I so agree. However, I do think the NOTs should be the most important since it never occurred to me that off-road vehicles are completely banned from use; as are gas operated small equipment like a weed-eater or lawn mower. I am happy about the off road things though I can actually hear my radio with the windows open now :crossed:

It is frustrating when folks seemingly don't think to check on things under the circumstances.

People who don't like following rules are attracted to the mountains. If they wanted to follow the rules, they would stay in town in their HOA's.
One of the downsides of living up here are the people it attracts.

Completely agreed, I guess to a degree I might be the same, but some just are way over the top.

Valle Girl wrote: Regarding better information transfer I so agree. However, I do think the NOTs should be the most important since it never occurred to me that off-road vehicles are completely banned from use; as are gas operated small equipment like a weed-eater or lawn mower. I am happy about the off road things though I can actually hear my radio with the windows open now :crossed:

From Park County: Operating motorized vehicles off designated roads and trails.

If your neighbors have built trails, they can ride. The restriction is meant to keep people from riding or driving through tall weeds and grasses where the exhaust can cause fires. The restriction also deals with 2 cycle engines - there are four cycle engines on motorcycles now.

I sympathize about the motorcycle noise, but it is legal - and also noisy. It is possible to muffle the bikes to make them quieter. A good neighbor would be receptive to that, a jerk just like the fart noises he can make.

Thanks for the info. They kink-of have a trail...not built but developed over the years , but they also have property that they NEVER clear of anything much less slash and pine needles etc. Oh Well...just have to deal yeah?

jf1acai wrote: How many actually read the Flume, or PC, or 285Bound, or DSV, or ???

How do we get the message across to the rest?

Edited to add:

Preaching to the choir, whether they are awake at the time or not, does not get the message across to those who are not in the choir.

The "rest" don't give a !@#$%^T about it.

Just curious - I know over here, you CAN shoot on your property if you have a proper backstop(not the right word, but you can get the jist) that will prevent the bullets from travelling onto your neighbors property. So what's the rule in Park County?

ANY THING GOES... it's park County. really i believe that the same applies and you can even hunt off your deck..

MamaRama wrote: ANY THING GOES... it's park County. really i believe that the same applies and you can even hunt off your deck..

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