The Best Car Ever Tested

09 May 2013 22:19 #1 by pineinthegrass
Well, that's what Consumer Reports has to say about the all electric Tesla Model S. 99 out of 100 score.

It's not recommended yet, due to lack of reliability data since it's new...

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports/

Looks nice!

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10 May 2013 06:57 #2 by FredHayek
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One of the salesman where I work bought one. 74K IIRC. Must be trying to restore his Eco Karma. He use to drive a 70's Firebird.

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10 May 2013 07:53 #3 by Nobody that matters
Who cares if Consumer Reports thinks it's great? That biased rag lost my respect a long time ago.

$95,000 for the sport model.

I like how the prices are never the actual price - each has an asterisk saying something like 'after $7500 federal tax credit' or 'after fuel savings'.

Maybe someday they'll create a car for real people that have real commutes.

"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln

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10 May 2013 22:05 #4 by pineinthegrass

Nobody that matters wrote: Who cares if Consumer Reports thinks it's great? That biased rag lost my respect a long time ago.

$95,000 for the sport model.

I like how the prices are never the actual price - each has an asterisk saying something like 'after $7500 federal tax credit' or 'after fuel savings'.

Maybe someday they'll create a car for real people that have real commutes.


Why do you think they are biased? Not everyone gets their review right including CR, but I don't see the bias.

I won't copy it here, but CR rates 13 cars above 90 points to date with the Tesla at 99. None of the others is an electric car, and just one is a hybrid. So I don't see a bias towards electrics or hybrids. The cheapest is $23K for a 4 cyl Honda Accord.

Among other electric cars the next are at 69 points, the Ford Focus electric and Nissan Leaf. They are under $40K (maybe under $30K too, but have to check) and might be good commuter cars with much less range than the Tesla.

They only gave the Mitsubisi i-Mi-EV (I'd rate them down just due to the upper and lower case nonsense) 31 points and compared it to a golf cart.

And the other super expensive electric car, the Frisker just got 57 points.

So where is the bias other than you don't agree with the review? And I don't always agree with CR either, but at least they don't get the cars given to them from the manufactures for their reviews.

Edited to add...

OK, looks like there is a link to CR's top rated cars to date...

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2013/05/consumer-reports-names-its-top-scoring-cars.html

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11 May 2013 09:48 #5 by chickaree
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They say the greenest option is driving an old, used car. That puts me at the top of the list! I personally like CR. every time I ignore their ratings I am sorry after. My Dyson vacuum is a prime example.

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11 May 2013 14:33 #6 by ScienceChic
And the Tesla is a Blast to drive to boot! I will get into way too much trouble when I get mine. :biggrin:

I'm curious as well as to how Consumer Reports can be biased? They accept zero dollars from corporations since they review their products/ services, everything is public donations and raffles for fundraisers. They did give Toyota the benefit of the doubt when problems first cropped up with their safety issues, but not to the point that they "covered" for them.

The greenest option is to not even own a car, but ride a bike or walk, and public transportation as a next step after that, but that's not feasible for most of us...an old car certainly means less waste, but that's problematic as well because they have higher emissions. Not getting a new car every few years is good, but not so good for the economy that relies on us spending. We have to change how we live to truly make a "green" impact.

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11 May 2013 16:38 #7 by FredHayek
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We trust Consumer Reports a lot but you have to read the reviews in depth to see the bias. They tend to prefer smaller engines higher fuel economy better safety record and higher reliability. I like power and reliability more than safety and gas mileage. They are a valuable resource because who gets the chance to test eight different DVD players for a month at a time.

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13 May 2013 06:58 #8 by Nobody that matters
The bias isn't about the fuel type, it's in regards to the manufacturer. CR is famous for consistantly rating some manufacturerers low, and allowing others to ride on past reputations of reliability despite current recall and repair stats. They may not be like that anymore, but 10 years ago when they me, the japanese could do no wrong, and the rest of the world could do no right.

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13 May 2013 07:29 #9 by FredHayek
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Nobody that matters wrote: The bias isn't about the fuel type, it's in regards to the manufacturer. CR is famous for consistantly rating some manufacturerers low, and allowing others to ride on past reputations of reliability despite current recall and repair stats. They may not be like that anymore, but 10 years ago when they me, the japanese could do no wrong, and the rest of the world could do no right.


:rofllol One of my buddies was a MOPAR man, dyed in the wool and he always accused CR of being biased against Chrysler. But I would see all the diffculties he had with the ones he bought compared to my Honda. He just expected certain stuff to be breaking all the time.

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13 May 2013 07:45 #10 by Nobody that matters

FredHayek wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote: The bias isn't about the fuel type, it's in regards to the manufacturer. CR is famous for consistantly rating some manufacturerers low, and allowing others to ride on past reputations of reliability despite current recall and repair stats. They may not be like that anymore, but 10 years ago when they me, the japanese could do no wrong, and the rest of the world could do no right.


:rofllol One of my buddies was a MOPAR man, dyed in the wool and he always accused CR of being biased against Chrysler. But I would see all the diffculties he had with the ones he bought compared to my Honda. He just expected certain stuff to be breaking all the time.


A friend had a Honda that was a complete lemon, and required a top end rebuild at 50,000 miles, on top of burning out window motors and door lock selenoids like popcorn.

For a time, Hondas and Toyotas were tops in reliability, and the US companies focused so much on cost savings and economy that they put out some crap. When the market changed, and the Japanese manufacturers made some huge blunders while domestic reliability was skyrocketing, CR kept parroting the same ratings and reviews over and over, despite what their own repair records were telling them.

Of course, that's just my opinion - no offense intended to those of you that still buy into their ratings.

I'll stick with Edmunds ratings.

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