Forged by fire: Kristen Moeller at TEDxJacksonHole

07 Nov 2013 10:46 #11 by Blondie

WindPeak wrote:
Is this not worthy of discussion?


Don't you mean arguing and belittling? It seems to be what you are good at.
Did I read in another thread that you are a LEO negotiator? You couldn't talk me off a sidewalk.

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07 Nov 2013 11:02 #12 by Venturer
Blondie I am not an LEO negotiator. I know some but I have never said that I was one. Please go back and read the other thread. And it is not my intent to argue or belittle. It was an intent at an honest and hopefully worthwhile discussion of continued addictions. Obviously not.

Blondie wrote:

WindPeak wrote:
Is this not worthy of discussion?


Don't you mean arguing and belittling? It seems to be what you are good at.
Did I read in another thread that you are a LEO negotiator? You couldn't talk me off a sidewalk.

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07 Nov 2013 12:36 #13 by Blondie

Windpeak wrote: Blondie I am not an LEO negotiator. I know some but I have never said that I was one. Please go back and read the other thread. And it is not my intent to argue or belittle. It was an intent at an honest and hopefully worthwhile discussion of continued addictions. Obviously not.




WindPeak wrote: BB, I think that caveat applies to all 10 of the golden rules. In the training for LEO negotiators some of the tenets taught are to establish rapport, repeat what the person has said so that the person recognizes that they were heard, not contradict the person, etc. The business owner has the same opportunity to defuse or diffuse a situation simply by the first initial contact made, recognition that the person has a concern.


Ah I stand corrected, since it sounds like you went through the training, I assumed you accomplished the goal.

Nevermind :smackshead:

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07 Nov 2013 13:19 #14 by ScienceChic

WindPeak wrote: Yes Kristen in all her writings has been very open about addictions. And I admire it.

But there comes a time when it appears one addiction is replaced by another and yet another. That is when I wonder when it will really stop.

We all have our demons, devastation, and traumas to recover from, and life never stops throwing them at us. We all have to face repeated loss and disappointments. How each of us deals with it is unique, defines us, shapes us, and is shaped by previous experiences, forming the basis of the choices we make. It sounds to me like Kristen has figured that out.
[quoteemKristen Moeller:advgxdab]We each must choose to find the gifts and learn our own lessons. Some gifts come wrapped in barbed wire and it's up to each of us to untangle it and find the gem inside. But once you walk through fire in life you know you can do it again. And I think I finally know what is indestructible about the human spirit. It is our ability in the midst our devastation to find the gift.[/quoteem:advgxdab]

I, for one, try not to judge others' journey, as I've not walked in their shoes and experienced what they've experienced, or condemn how it seems that they continue to struggle and may or may not repeat the same mistakes again. I have my own journey, and if I'm working to better myself, them I'm analyzing my own behavior and recognizing when I still have to improve because I'm repeating mistakes. And maybe others who know me well are seeing that too, and if they truly love and understand me, they support me, help me, and call me out on it when need be, but do so without judging me. Because once we start judging, then we've stopped helping and loving...and that isn't a more worthy, or effective, effort.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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07 Nov 2013 14:28 #15 by Venturer
Thank you SC for an actual discussion.

You reference Kristen and this isn't pointed to her. It is about continued addictions that at some point need to be addressed. Different from loss and disappointment. And sometimes it takes repeating the addictions before coming to the fore and addressing them.

Really SC you try not to judge another's journey? Don't you do that when you say you like something or don't like something? Maybe you don't judge a journey but judge Kristen's TedTalks talk? Perhaps I am confusing what you are saying. Everyone judges and decides what they will do. Didn't you decide that ECFD deserved your attention and nonvote since you didn't get one. Wasn't that a judgment? Because someone judges doesn't necessarily mean that they have stopped helping and loving. Journeys will be judged whether you like it or not. Human nature. Yes, we aren't in their shoes and we will never know truly what that person is doing or where they are. But judging will take place and it doesn't mean we stop helping and loving.

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