Coney Island hot dog stand closes its doors - The Flume

I find it interesting when most people lie that either version is assumed to be true. For either side, it is in their best interest to lie about how the day went down.

I assume that no one is telling the truth.

Seems like no one is debating that after such an interaction, that the hot dog restaurant owner is the only one living every day after that different.

I guess I just find it odd that one would instantly assume the hot dog guy is in the wrong, deserving such a life long injury for whatever happened that day.

Which is more believable, an average citizen went after some CDOT guys with a chainsaw (risking everything he has, his property, his freedom, his business and in this case his health) or some police used some excessive force (which often is very hard to prove and could likely easily be gotten away with)?

I am not saying the police did use excessive force, but I assume there will be a court case, which we will have to defend. I just wish we had the ability to talk to each other and not resort to the police, zoning, building dept, code enforcement, dog officer for everything. Every time someone calls the authorities, we become less free and the BOCC runs out and makes 4 more laws (elimating freedom and charging us fees for it) and then builds one more building (to watch us and take care of us).

All this (loss of freedom, income and interaction) under the premise that any of use really give a crap about anyone but our friends and family.

Stop calling the police and be man enough to know that it takes a very unique person to actually cut someone else with a chainsaw intentionally. And if we assume that guy is here around every corner, is this really a good community. Maybe we deserve all the laws and policing we have, maybe we like it.

I just know this is going to end up on the Park County thread and someone is going to want to call the FBI.

Nmysys wrote: The Flume has always twisted stories the way they want it to read. According to Ron, the chainsaw wasn't running, the deputy panicked and called for assistance and 8 deputies assaulted him. As a local business owner that brought tax revenues into the county, I personally think he could have been handled a whole lot differently.

Park County isn't exactly business friendly.

What has he contributed to Park County's tax revenue?

I believe food sold at a restaurant is subject to the sales tax. If true, he would collect 2.9% for the State and 1% for the county water conservation fund. I don't see his little hot dog stand providing tax revenue that supports the operation of our county.

I'm sure this guy is innocent, he didn't over react, he put down the chain saw when asked and then for noooooooooo reason he was gang raped by a pack of mules.

wasn't it a little over a year ago that the same guy refused to buy a bear proof trash container, or pay the disposal company the additional fee for a bear proof container?

I still don't understand why he was allowed to open with out installing a left turn lane.

Where would you put it?

I'm finding it odd that he's closed for this injury he got a literal year ago. What's the real story?

The only place that gave our County some place to go for affordable food and snacks , Ron put on your pants and thighten your belt and man up to this injustice if there was any done to you ,I belive that some cowboy lost his cool or you did, but if all charges was vacated then just move on and hire the kids that help you run this establishment and serve those great dogs and fried potatoes, this is not the time to bale on Park County. Right or wrong you stay put, this is a great community and I belive that anything can be fixed, the deputies are not all bad, some very good, some are the best I have seen in a long time.

Xmas P_ rn wrote:

Nmysys wrote: The Flume has always twisted stories the way they want it to read. According to Ron, the chainsaw wasn't running, the deputy panicked and called for assistance and 8 deputies assaulted him. As a local business owner that brought tax revenues into the county, I personally think he could have been handled a whole lot differently.

Park County isn't exactly business friendly.

What has he contributed to Park County's tax revenue?

I believe food sold at a restaurant is subject to the sales tax. If true, he would collect 2.9% for the State and 1% for the county water conservation fund. I don't see his little hot dog stand providing tax revenue that supports the operation of our county.

I'm sure this guy is innocent, he didn't over react, he put down the chain saw when asked and then for noooooooooo reason he was gang raped by a pack of mules.

I think you are forgetting about property tax, and all the 2ndary taxes that are paid as a result of his purchases and operational expenses (gas taxes, things that get double sales taxed, etc.).

Likely his property tax was higher than a typical house or lot, since it had an existing and known to be popular business. We could easily look this up, I have not. I am assuming there is an extra $1000+ for this on his "value".

Let's say he sold $200,000 worth of product in a year, just a guess, could be half, or could be double, but at half it would be hard to stay open (esp with those likely high property taxes) and at double he would not be closed now, he would have someone helping him rake in the $. So at $200,000 that is $2000 to the county and another $7000 to the state, which reduces your burden elsewhere and pays for all kinds of stuff people seem to need.

Remember too that he took the time to collect and pass on those sales taxes for the benefit of society without any compensation. Everyone that works for the the DOR gets paid, with benefits, time off, etc. He asked all kinds of suppliers to come to him, using gas and paying other types of taxes, providing jobs etc. I bet he did not want to get audited either so he hired an accountant to take care of the countless forms you demand he fill out just to sell some dogs. That accountant likely charged him $1000, thus driving that fake part of the economy and providing another job for a day or two. There is much more that is done by default when you own an active business with all of its burdens. I am sure the county charged him for a license, but provided nothing for it. He had to buy all kinds of stamps to process these forms, had to have up to date computers and software with proper virus protection to even file some of his taxes...or drive the the local library and use their facilities. It just keeps going. Part of why you even need a cash register is because of all the taxes and filings, otherwise small business owners could just put the money in their pocket and pay for what they need to provide you with that service you are demanding.

Employee types seem to forget about all this stuff...but remember there is a longer list of why your pay is half of what it could be given the same expense to your employer...it is all the public stuff you demand. So 1/2 salary for hidden taxes, then 1/3 for the ones you think you see and then sales taxes. We all pay dearly, including and especially business owners.

I am feeling like before this guy even pays taxes on his income, he contributes somewhere around $3000 extra to the county and $7000 to the state, add this to a likely $10,000 income tax bill to all parties this guy was contributing about $20k a year in taxes of which about 1/6 was purely local, plus his baseline taxes for just having a lot. Anyone else around here contribute that much?

It seems odd to get down on this guy like he was not contributing enough to your demand for public services and education, seems even more odd to consider that anyone would get more rights for anything except not being a criminal. But we all know that that is a crock, we all work hard every day for more money and more rights than the next guy, because both are available to you in the US.

Got to sell a lot of wieners to make the payment on one giant wiener.

Seems like without more population you would not be able to make a go of it.

Park County property taxes are $6,938

posteryoyo, The county doesn't have an income tax. You must not live in Park County, otherwise you wouldn't of said something so stupid.

If he pays sales tax on the sale of his food, none of that goes to the county operating budget. Plus any sales tax he pays isn't coming out of his pocket. As a retailer he is a collection agent for the state.

Lastly he deserves no special treatment becuase he is a business owner in our county. We all pay taxes to support the county. Following posteryoyo logic, I should be treated better than Mr. Hotdog by law enforcement becuase I actually live in the county and Mr. Hotdog doesn't.

We are down on him, because he acted like an asshole and he expects public sympathy for his actions.

Mr. Hotdog does live in the county Xmas Porn. I have been in his home. People on here can take any position they want to based on no knowledge but the truth is Park County does nothing to encourage small businesses to move into the county nor do they go out of their way to make this a friendly place to operate. The man was treated this way because he questioned what was going on in the county, many of the allegations that have been thrown around in the Park County Threads. He has had trouble ever since he moved the Coney into the county and read about the controversy in the county.