Where is the outrage?

22 Apr 2011 09:32 #21 by Pony Soldier
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SS109 wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: The "death panel" in this case would have been the case-worker at the other end of the phone at Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Wellpoint, Kaiser-Permanente, or whoever... A terminally-ill child? You really really believe a private-insurer would have covered it?

Of course, if we had a single-payer plan, like Medicare, the service would have been covered...

I'd like to see some proof, too, of the Canadian system being the model for ours... The Right has done nothing but scream about not allowing us become a "Canadian style system..."


It may have been covered. Obama's latest speech on Medicare would create an overall cost limit, like the one insurance comapnies used to have limiting them to one million dollars in lifetime costs. Medicare would have a similar limit, which I support. Ironic for Barack to support this now since Obamacare required private insurance companies to scrap their million dollar limits on medical care.

Proof of Obama wanting a single payer system like Canada? His old speeches as a US senator or Illinois senator. Personally I don't think he will get it, even if he wins in 2012.


Even if the insurers in the US would not have covered it, they still would have had the option of paying for it themselves. That is the down side of the Canadian plan. In order to prevent "Wealthy Care" clinics from popping up, they had to make that rule.

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22 Apr 2011 09:42 #22 by chickaree
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I believe single payer would be a mistake. Large entities are impersonal and wasteful. Allowing states, organizations, business, churches and communities tocreate non profit co-ops. You could decide amongst them.

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22 Apr 2011 18:35 #23 by Rick
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chickaree wrote: I believe single payer would be a mistake. Large entities are impersonal and wasteful. Allowing states, organizations, business, churches and communities tocreate non profit co-ops. You could decide amongst them.

I guess my first impression of you was wrong, you really do have a brain...good post.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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22 Apr 2011 19:01 #24 by ScienceChic
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Just FYI, feel free to debate the merits/cons of the info within...

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... 2011-04-21
Health care reform in one state may be a harbinger for national effort
By Robin Lloyd | Apr 21, 2011

Health care reform became law, and within four years, 98 percent of the population was covered by insurance. Only 0.2 percent of all children remained uncovered. Racial and ethnic disparities in coverage largely disappeared. Public support for reform hovered at 65 percent, and there was no movement to repeal the law.

Is this the future of U.S. health care? Right now, it is the current status of Massachusetts' health care reform law, http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=mg2subtopic ... d=massgov2 the basis for the nation's Affordable Care Act (ACA) http://www.healthcare.gov/law/introduction/index.html , passed by Congress in 2010. What does the state's experience foretell of the future of the national plan? A panel of experts convened to discuss this topic on April 16 at the annual meeting of the Association of Health Care Journalists http://www.healthjournalism.org/ in Philadelphia.

The issue of the system's costs is going to make or break reform in Massachusetts, said Rob Restuccia, executive director of Community Catalyst, a non-profit advocacy organization based in that state. Same goes for U.S. health reform.


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