Proposal for a 28th Amendment

24 Apr 2011 14:25 #11 by HEARTLESS
Doesn't it bother you to be lock-step, and incapable of individual thought?

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24 Apr 2011 14:29 #12 by ScienceChic
Welcome RDaneel, way to jump in with both feet! :thumbsup: We're glad to have ya!

My biggest concern is in stating specific percentages on taxes for individuals and corporations (and why are corporations less?): the Constitution was written in such a way as to allow for growth and change over hundreds of years, not to set such rigid guidelines that would hamper future economic or social growth. For example, if a flat 15% tax rate were to be implemented today, and that meant that social security, Medicare, and/or the DOD budgets had to be slashed, how does that decision, and its repercussions, get made and handled? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for reducing gov't spending and waste, but I don't think implementing a rigid flat tax rate, that can only be changed by another Constitutional Amendment, is the way to go.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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24 Apr 2011 14:30 #13 by archer

HEARTLESS wrote: Doesn't it bother you to be lock-step, and incapable of individual thought?


dunno....never tried it, you would be better able to answer that question.

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24 Apr 2011 14:36 #14 by HEARTLESS
Considering I was nearly stoned and stupid enough in college to think I might be a liberal, I was fortunate enough to find the Libertarian Party in 1975. Soon I realized all the idiots that sit around telling each other how much smarter they are than those that don't follow the socialist mindset. Try thinking for yourself, its actually a form of freedom, but don't let that get out.

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24 Apr 2011 14:41 #15 by major bean

HEARTLESS wrote: major, what may be most important is debt to gdp. When we've gone too far, as Greece did, we're over the edge. Healthy economies are no more than 20% debt to gdp. We're already past that..

That is also my understanding, but economists are saying that if we refuse to raise the debt ceiling, then there is going to be a horrible economic crash. This baffles me and I need to come to grips with what variables are in play here.

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24 Apr 2011 14:44 #16 by JMC
Replied by JMC on topic Proposal for a 28th Amendment

major bean wrote:

HEARTLESS wrote: major, what may be most important is debt to gdp. When we've gone too far, as Greece did, we're over the edge. Healthy economies are no more than 20% debt to gdp. We're already past that..

That is also my understanding, but economists are saying that if we refuse to raise the debt ceiling, then there is going to be a horrible economic crash. This baffles me and I need to come to grips with what variables are in play here.

Defaulting on our obligations? Not my Country.

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24 Apr 2011 14:48 #17 by HEARTLESS
Presently there are more Admirals than ships, top heavy, redundant federal organizations doing the same things. Just addressing these two areas could save multi-billions of dollars. Early retirement for the Admirals, consolidate the redundant federal agencies and eliminate the top heavy management.

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24 Apr 2011 14:49 #18 by major bean
Here are some news reports"

AP
Obama: Raise debt ceiling or risk global recession by Ben Feller, Friday, April 15, 2011
CHICAGO -- Failure by Congress to raise the U.S. debt limit "could plunge the world economy back into recession," President Barack Obama declared Friday, and he acknowledged that he must compromise on spending with Republicans who control the House to avoid such a crisis.


the link: http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/politics&id=8074286

another link: http://www.hanfordsentinel.com/article_e6366604-678e-11e0-8137-001cc4c002e0.html

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24 Apr 2011 14:56 #19 by major bean
OK, I think that I found where my understanding was lacking.

Here is a news article that explains what terms are being used.

April 14, 2011
Geithner: Debt default would hurt global economy
CBS News talks to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner on the consequences of government not raising debt ceiling

By Anthony Mason
(CBS News) And now comes the next big battle over money -- it involves raising the nation's debt ceiling. That's the amount of money the government is allowed to borrow. Think of it as the credit limit on your credit card. Right now, Uncle Sam's limit is $14.29 trillion. But he's already borrowed $14.26 trillion, meaning he's just $30 billion away from having his credit cut off.




The control room of the American debt machine is the U.S. Treasury's Auction Room, where it borrows billions every week from investors in the U.S. and around the world to keep the American government running. But if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling, the Treasury's credit card would hit its limit. The room would shut down. And the U.S. government could go into default, CBS News correspondent Anthony Mason reports.


"The consequences of that would be catastrophic to the United States," Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said in testimony to Congress.


The link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/14/eveningnews/main20054098.shtml

p.s. You know, it's not difficult to appear stupid whenever you're ignorant.

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24 Apr 2011 14:59 #20 by major bean
OK, based upon my understanding of the debt ceiling, I would fully support the 28th ammendment proposal as a rough outline. I do agree with Science Chic's concerns about this proposal. I also have some reservations about too many topics are being covered with this ammendment and should be broken up into several ammendment proposals.

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Major Bean

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